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I Start on Monday - should be interesting - as much meat as I want, but no bread or pasta.

More meat, less veggies.

mmmmmmmmmm

Makes your breath and farts stink like buggery though.

Sounds a very good diet, I should look into it

Sounds great, but 2 down falls:

1) your breath stinks after a while (buy mint sweets)
2) Very bad constipation.

I started on monday James, Monday mornings weigh-in put me at a mighty 228 pounds. this morning i was down to 225.

Whats that in Stones?

foggy I have bad constipation half the time, the other half is bad shits

around 16.4 stone. (ish)

How tall are you?

Six foot.

Not to bad then.

Not too good either, target weight 186 pounds. (13 stone)

Thats what I am. 13 stone or 186 pounds.. mOm

Vic: If you're on the Atkins diet doesnt that mean you wont be drinking on sunday?

It means i won't be drinking AT ALL for at least two weeks.

Speaking of sunday.

:O I'm glad Im a skinny bastard

lalalalalalal

LOL!

Your time will come Sul, one minute skinny, next beer gut! Mark my words it will happen.

Normally true foggy, but you haven't seen just how abnormally thin sul is.

He is indeed abnormal :)

How you finding it so far Vic - has it made you tired or anything?

true...I havent had the pleasure of meeting you gentlemen yet.

To be honest james, i feel fantastic. its possible that this is a mental process because i am doing something about my weight, but if feel great.

Let me know how you feel next week, reading up on it is says that in the first week you get loads of extra energy, and in the second you loose it all!

well things at work have recently dented my happy nirvana but i'll see how it goes.

What do you have for Lunch? If you can't have a sandwich and pasta.

I don't eat pasta, or drink, and I eat very little pasta, and I have gained alot of weight, stupid bread :)

"I don't eat pasta, or drink, and I eat very little pasta"

???

Schitzo!

damn it, last pasta I meant vegetables, damn stupid head and fingers thinking different things

To be honest, finding acceptable foods is much harder than you might think, for the last few days i have had Four sausages for breakfast, a tuna salad (urgh) for dinner and a large amount of chicken for tea. (with optional chunks of Red Leicester when the urge takes me) and nothing but water.

I usually drink nothing but water, Its the only thing I find that refreshes me

I drink copious amounts of tea.

I live on coffee

Herbal tea, Stella and JD.

Coffee makes me puke, even the smell is revolting.

me too foggy, I don't find tea much better though

Tea is good..Most chinese tea is really refreshing.

I like green tea.

I like PG tips

I like tea too, earl grey, but I havent had it for years.... not been able to find it in the supermarkets here

CocaCola during the day, Stella at night. Perhaps the odd cuppa tea thrown in. And sometimes I binge on cuppa soups.

oh, I love Bovril...yeah! In fact, I am going to get a bovril right now.

Got one..nice :D

As I work in a book shop we sell The Atkins Diet Book and every time a stick thin woman buys the book I feel like telling her she really doesn't need it.

Ketone is the chemical your body releases on this diet (similar to the smell of nail polish remover?)

SO what happens when you finish the diet, and you've lost all that weight and you start eating normally again? Methinks you will put the weight back on, unless you want to eat mainly protein for the rest of your life, urgh.

I mainly drink water and all sorts of tea, jasmine and green tea is yummy and I rather like peppermint too.

Man I love pasta and bread. and what is the conversion from pounds to stones... around 14ish? and how did tea get into the adkins diet thread

The threads go off in all directions

they do that - shall we talk about trains now?

Yay! Emma is a tea fiend like me! :D Ha, will mean giving Chay an excuse to buy a teapot and make me tea when I come and see him next year! :D

Dude, you might want to buy us a teapot and some tea, cos neither kerry or me drink the smelly stuff

Bloody hell, you must have an extremely hypersensitve sense of smell if you think tea stinks.

Tea doesnt stink..coffee does...oh, and the underside of BG's man breasts!

You know it

I can smell tea off from a mile away, but yes coffee is alot worse

But tea doesn't really have a strong smell. Having said that, my sense of smell is sketchy, it comes and goes, so what do I know. But ground coffee (for coffee makers) *stinks* of demonic shit.

That is very very true, I hate that smell, especially when your parents make it on a sunday morning and wake you up by making you throw up

Not to sure what the actual smell of demonic shit is, but i shall take your word for it.

Man i love the smell of fresh coffee.

You just had to spoil it didnt you!

Going to any shows ILBM? Fringe and all that.

i love the smell of coffee

the smell of tea makes me feel sick

Yay for coffee, especially the African varieties, wow man are they strong....!

I love the smell of fresh coffee mmm
Steve I shall force Chay to keep an abundance of PG Tips pyramid teabags! I'm even training in the art of tea making too

I like mocha and cuppochino. yummie, they smell wonderfu. Green Tea and Jasmine tea rock so hard!!!
go tea...

Tea is truly the sweet nectar, ambrosia of the gods,
I could sip from the sweet sponge of tea all day.

Coffee is quite nice. Diets are stupid.

But then, I've never got above 10 stone, ever.

I like coffee and tea both and I find their smells to be quite nice. On another note, When I went to England the family I was staying with asked if I wanted coffee or tea and I said tea and they couldn't believe it. They thought that American's hated tea and loved coffee. Is that view widely held?

yes the view we have is that Americans don't drink tea ever in fact in all U.S. programmes Americans only drink coffee or coke beverages.
Of course we all know TV depicts true life...

So how's the diet going Victor?

fine mate, one week in and i'm five pounds lighter.

And now i'm dizzy, weak, lightheaded and i have an unquenchable thirst.

A hangover without the night before. That's gotta suck.

:(

I have an unquechable thirst, its the heat

But are you loosing weight Vic?

still on 223 pounds at the moment.

oh..

And now, after half an hour in the strip club over the road, i feel positively invigorated.

I bet you do.

I heard a good story about a guy who went to the Fantasy Bar in edinburger during his lunch hour. Now the guy in question has a lovely beige suit on, you know, 'the man from delmonti' style and colour. Anywayz, he gets himself a lady, goes into the back for his private dance. The girl is fantastic, totally naked rubbing up and down his leg, shoving her breasts in his face..fantastic! Until he steps outside said establishment and finds that the clatty bitch hasnt wiped her ass properly and he has small skid marks on the leg of his lovely suit. Oh how do you explain that to (a) work colleagues and more importantly (b) the wife!!!

true story brought to you today by Foggie.

I'm doing OK so far - lost 3lb yesterday - eating is fine, quite hungry, but I know that'll go - drinking plenty of water and been to the gym exercising.

Nice tale foggy.

You don't have to be hungry james, you can eat as much as you like.

Thank you.

Yeah,. I know Vic - but I don't have any snacks at work!

My top tip is Pepperami, stock up on those bad boys!

They are so damn nice

Pepperami...I get bored with them.

I loved them, I have not had one for so long now though, they were always cold, it was nice

na, just a wee bagul(?? Vic) with some cheese, or cured ham. Lovely.

bagel, I never really liked them

they cant eat bagels though

Not allowed Bagels.

no

Arent bagels a Jewish food originally? Shouldnt put ham in them ooooh no.

Short story - My mate Adam was taken to a Jewish sandwich shop by a work colleague of his and was chucked out for asking if the salt beef was boiled bacon.

ws it though?

Not allowed bagels? Of course, just meat.

Just meat no bread is the rules, are you allowed cheese?

are you allowed kebabs?

high in protein and no carbs so yes cheese is permitted

how about toothpaste? soap?

check out the nutritional contents

are there nutritional contents of soap?

In the news today, it said the atkins diet was bad for you in this hot weather and that you should stop it till it gets cooler

I like burgers.

I love burgers

Victor = peperami has carbs in em - watch out for that!

btw - lost anouth 2lbs yesterday - day 4 now and i've lost 5lbs

Well done dude

Victor - you still on this diet?

I'm a week and a half in now - lost 9lbs in total

well done fella, im still on the diet, can't seem to get below 220 at the moment :(
I've been 220/221 for about three days now/

I was wondering this morning how you two were doing, hard lines vic eat less fatty meat :)

Hard lines eh? Sounds like a fun diet.

WAHAHAHAHAHA My last day today...and I will be doing loads of work, no honestly i will..no no...Will I fuck!

Sounds like the perfect day for a 3 hour lunchbreak in the battle cruiser.

Did you see the papers two days ago, saying how dangerous the Atkins diet was? It made a few front covers.

YAY, good on you Mr. Foggy, but will we see you much after today, or are we, especially me going to have to cry?

3 hour lunch sounds great. Might just do that :)

BG, I will be here on Monday, dont worry about that.

arsepuppy - "health experts" are always going on about it - they talk complete tosh though, they also say the MMR is safe, when it isnt.

MMR..thats what lorne sausages are made of (i think)

they also say the MMR is safe, when it isnt.

And if only someone would let you publish your (obviously full of hard facts) findings the world would be a safer place eh Dr Little?

didn't they proove recently that the MMR was safer then the seperate jabs or something, or was that a dream?

health reports are a load of shite,

red wine is good for the heart, red wine is bad for the liver
beer is good for the brain, beer is bad for the kidneys
garlic is good for the heart, garlic can cause melting in vampires
fish is good for the brain, fish is full of evil chemicals which will shrivel your thyroid
alcohol causes cancer in white mice
nicotine causes cancer in white mice
mobile phones cause cancer in white mice
chocolate mice cause cancer in white mice
has anyone wondered if white mice are prone to getting cancer?

You could spend your whole life chasing your tail trying to keep up with what the latest 'medical study' shows, IMHO medical studies have found that if research teams don't keep coming up with 'health revelations' then they don't get any more funding to continue their pointless research.

/rant

beer is good for the brain, beer is bad for the kidneys

Which is why the human body evolved to have 2 kidneys and 1 brain - FACT

garlic is nice, and who wants vampires anyway, unless they are ninja vampires

Go ask my friend if it's safe, and ask her son that has Autism - explain how he was fine before having the MMR, but almost straight after having it his behavour totally changed. Of course, it must only be a coincidence.

Also, on the Atkins stuff - show me some evidence that it's not good for you - the diet has been around for over 20 years, but if you ask the "experts" for evidence of the bad effects it can have, they are unable to show any.



No, there has been reports saying it has no link, but there has been reports saying that there is. There was something out a few weeks ago saying that there is no increase in autism since the MMR came in, just that more people can regonise the signs of Autism now.

But surely a crash diet which cuts out important nutritional groups is, by nature, a touch dodgy?

And just because something's been around for 20 years, it doesn't make it good all of a sudden.

"Wow! I must try mass murder! It's been around for a few years now so it must be ok!"

ooh i must try buggery, it was good enough for Wilde so it must be even better by now, its had so much time to develop

Which important nutritional groups are cut out?

Of course, it must only be a coincidence.

Exactly

There was something out a few weeks ago saying that there is no increase in autism since the MMR came in, just that more people can regonise the signs of Autism now.

Sounds like a valid point to me.

oh right thats what it was then

carbohydrates for a start.

Which important nutritional groups are cut out?

Booze

It's not a crash diet and it doesn't cut out any groups for the whole diet - in the first two weeks it cuts out fruit - but you can add this back in at a later stage.

the diet has been around for over 20 years

a good length of time to study the long term effects then no?

Carbohydrates aren't cut out, its a REDUCED carbohydrate diet.

Do you really believe that? Do you really believe that it is affecting 100's of children, and seeing a change in them straight after, but every single case of this is a coinsidence? Do you really think that the "experts" are always right?

If the answer is yes to any of them, then you are more naïve than I thought! :)

Stop it!

We are red blooded males talking about fuckin diets!

Lets talk about footie, beer, fags, something apart from fuckin diets. Next you will be talking about foundation and lipstick.

LOL at Foggy!

naïve

I fancy bolton are gonna take man united on sunday, first game of the season's a good time to play them and i dont think that new keeper is as good as they think.

And i think the experts are always right.

I'm suprised how defensive people get about the Atkins bollocks. It's like bloody Pokemon all over again.

The yank keeper has terets (sp?) which I think could provide us with some funny moments over the coming season.Boltons signing of Jardel is a cracker..fuckin great striker but i think you will still get rode.

defensive over what AP? (and please dont say diets)

We have taken three points from old trafford twice in the last two seasons, They have a new line-up whereas with the exception of Jardel we have a settled line up, Djorkaeff should be fit for the game and United are famous for starting slowly.

um football teams. yeah football teams not diets at all

AP - What about Pokemon ! Pokemon rocks.

BUT...Van the Man looks sharp as a very sharp thing that has just been sharpened. Might have some problems keeping him under control...plus, the new boy, Ronaldo looks tasty.

fl: tourette's :)

I'm not saying the experts are right. I'm saying you're not one and your entire opinion (like any other non expert) is founded entirely on peronal experiences and what the media tell you. Telling everyone here flatout that its not safe is fucking naive. Having an objective opinion isnt.

Bolton getting Jardel is the best thing that could happen to their team - deffinately finish in the top half of the table this season

I've seen the affects of it, so it's not naive telling people this at all.

Cheers Chay, always rely on you to correct my spelling :)

YOU DONT KNOW THAT ITS BECAUSE OF THE MMR! YOU ARE NOT A FUCKING EXPERT BECAUSE YOUR FRIEND HAD THE MMR AND IS NOW AUTISTIC!!!!!1

That Tourettes guy.....

What Sky Sports PlayerCAM was made for!

woooo..shouting Sul.

Exactly AP..cant wait for some comedy moments at corners, penalties, free kicks etc

just want to drive my point home

Correct me if i'm wrong, but i heard that the child of someone who objected to the MMR jab later became critically ill through one of the diseases the jab protects from. There is no such thing as a 'safe' vaccine, its like anything in life, you pays your money and you takes your chances.

A top half finish would be nice, but like my dad always says, fourth from bottom is like winning the league.

Pokemon, Harry Potter, Atkins Diets

The Holy Trinity of shite trends.

"That Tourettes guy..... "

who sul?

MY BALL!!!!! COCKSUCKERS!

thats a goal kick ref, you fucking monkeyfucker!

could people please spell naïve with a ï not a i

thanks :)

/sadness

chay: no

thanks :)

LMAO @ Vic!!


Wonder if the refs have been made aware of his tourettes?

Well, in some ways, there's no such thing as an objective opinion.. every single opinion that anyone holds is by its very nature subjective, and may or may not correspond to some greater "unknowable objective truth".

So, you'd be inclined to believe the statement "MMR either causes autism or it does not cause autism", cause that's a necessary truth (and also a tautology). However, to make a statement that "MMR does cause autism", or indeed one to the contrary, is a subjective opinion based on empirical evidence. Personal experience does count as empirical evidence, but unless you were undertaking a proper study of the effects of this particular vaccination, based on a large amount of reliable evidence, I wouldn't suggest that any opinion based on personal experience is a very reliable opinion.

And then of course, any 'evidence' based on what's in the media is a very subjective experience, as we've already established that there is a large gap between what is "objectively true" and what is written in news sources.

Personally, I haven't been keeping up with all the MMR news or the Atkins diet, so I don't really have an opinion about it. But I do like subjective and objective truths. If a subjective truth isn't a contradiction in terms, anyway.

I thought Autism was caused by genes, then the mmr might be the trigger, but I am making this all up in my head so don't beleive me :)

Your not wrong at all - I am against not giving children Vacines - however I do think that if there is so many cases of Autism where people say that the child changed straight after the MMR Jab, then there is a case for bringing back the single vacines - I think that at some point in the future this will indeed happen, until then, parents like myself will have to go private to get it done - what's a few hundred quid compared to a childs life?

Sul - there is no point shouting about it - there are many cases where the child has developed Autism after having the MMR jab - that is well documented, not just in the media, but in reports - I don't really mind if you believe me, or the experts, what I was saying is that the experts are not "always right" - I'll give an example that is relivent to this thread.

On the BBC 6 o clock news about a week ago, there was a few minutes dedicated to the Atkins diet - they talked to someone that had been on the Atkins for quite a while - who was eating healthy - having vegtables and having meat and other foods - this was the Atkins still. Then they had a "diet expert" on the programe - he went on saying how bad the Atkins can be for you, etc - he then said that the woman on the program was not on the Atkins as the Atkins tells you not to have vegtables products and also mentioned that you can have all the dairy products you want - and as much of them as you want, on the Atkins.

If this suposid "expert" had read the actual book, he would of seen that none of what he said was the case - there still hasn't been any reported heart problems that he mentioned, even after 20 years of being about.

My point is - the experts are not always right, and I certainly won't let me health, or my childs be risked by what they say.

Are you not contradicting yourself here??

"The experts, media and reports aren't always right, but they are if their ideas coincide with mine"??

Nope - if anything it puts my point across more - not all experts are right - so what of the two sides is gonna be wrong - my opinions are based on what I have seen, and how this coinsides with some reports which I have read.

as opposed to someone who read opposing reports, has seen maybe dozens of kids wandering about who have had the jab and are fine

Having said that they are "experts" thus are more clued in to the subject than you or I.

does sound a bit contradicktory to me

yeah, thats why i decided not to have the MMR jab.

No shit - no-one has ever said that the jab is gonna affect every single child, but do you not think that even if it only affects a handfull of people that people should be given the choice of a single vacine.



Your point being? Two sets of "experts" have opposing views - so which is right? How do we tell that?

I guess being a parent changes your views on things - Before Kieran was born I said that we would give him the MMR and that I wasn't concerned at all - then now it's nearer the time I have read many, many, articles and reports and think to myself, what if?

If Kieran was affected by it, it would affect him for the rest of his lifem he wouldn't necasarily live a life that me and you have, it's a bad disability. Is it media hype? Who knows, but what i'm saying is that after seeing the affects that it could cause, even if we have no solid evidence either way, i'd rather not do it.

Just back..always good to have a few voddies at lunchtime.

Right then...MMR job, what the fuck is that? I dont think I have ever had one of them.

thats a joke right fl :D

You're opinion is both incorrect and correct at the same time until someone opens the box and lets pavlovs dog out. The problem is you were not giving an opinion. You were flat out telling us that the MMR isnt safe. Which YOU don't know.

My nephew has autism. A bad case of it. But still, it isn't as bad as you are making it out to be....

pavlo's dog?

I couldnt spell shrodinger so I went for the other fella who had a pet

pavlov?

Edit : Can't be bothered to argue it anymore - each to their own.

Chay, no. No joke. I might be being stupid here..

I'm glad you editted because what you just said was fucking stupid.

Foghorn - the MMR is a jab that children get when they are young - it's for a conbined vacine for Measles, Mumps and Rubella (I didn't spell them right) - doughts have been raised over how safe it is.

Sul you couldn't spell either of them!
Pandora's box might have been a better one

jlittle, so have you had the bairn jabbed then? I take it no..

ah Pavlov. I didnt think it sounded right


*^%(^$(^

Its not safe for me to be at work, nobody has proved conclusively that i won't be struck by lightening whilst simultaneously attacked by Guatemalan fire ants, therefore i am off home, which is dangerous because a meteor could hit me on the way or my house could inexplicably sink to the center of the earth.

jlittle you did spell them right i think, but not "doubts" :D

Foghorn - he is not due to have them for a few months - we are giving him single vacines instead.

Best idea mate, if there is so much bullshit about this MMR jab.

Schrodinger's Cat Sul :)

You big tarts. In this day and age you should be Extreme Parenting. Taking the risks just for the buzz!

jlittle you did spell them right i think, but not "doubts" :D

or "vaccine"

God, I could do with a BJ, pint of lager and a big fat doob. oh well...

ap: or "conbined" combined :D ;)

Damn straight Foggy.

I have to admit if I had a child I would be scared for its wellfare and would try and avoid anything that would hurt it, but then again you also have to take chances and you have to learn. One way or another all (or most?) kids have to have the vaccines but it should be the parents choice, not the Government/Experts, like teachers spanking should be allowed if it is not child abuse

BOOOOOOM!!!! SHAKE!SHAKE!SHAKE THE ROOM!

lol

beargod reminds us how rational we all are yet again! :D

It is the parents choice :) it is not compulsary to give children injections

So what was the agument then?

TICK,TICK,TICK,TICK, BOOOOOM!!

Yo you ready for us yet? (Pump it up, prince)

What does that mean anyway?

errr, cocks?

Right, that makes sense, I was thinking he had a flat tyre on his bike and he brought it into the studio, thats what went bang and then he pumped it back up

3 weeks gone - lost 1stone

well done dude, keep it up, its going well

well done!! any side affects?