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Poll:

• Yes
• No

answers on a postcard please.

This post is not only missing an apathy vote but also a more important 'Hell Yeah!' vote.

november, what is the feeling in the states about this?

I vote no, but I understand that it's too late now nad I'm supporting the soldiers who have no choice, not the bastard politicions that made this crappy war up.

we have had sky news on in the office since this kicked off, and it is shite, you don't see hardly any action!

and they said it was going to be a media friendly war. tsk tsk.

Where are the missiles with cameras on flying down the throats of soldiers like on The Day Today.

enough foreplay, its time for ol' george to drop the big one! that'll learn 'em

I voted yes, I was undecided until I listened to an Iraq bloke on the radio the other day.

He explained how his uncle had dared to speak up about Sadam, within hours, Sadam's 'guards' were their. They raped his aunt in front of the husband and her 2 year old daughter, they then burnt the aunt and her 2 year old daughter to death, before shooting the uncle.

This is just one case, I don't see an alternative to getting the man, who is oviously evil, out of the country. He deserves to die, no, infact, he deserves a lot worse.

I just hope that there will not be lots of innocent deaths, but i'd say being killed by a bomb is nothing like being tortured by his evil army.

"i'd say being killed by a bomb is nothing like being tortured by his evil army."

You are still dead either way. I bet a dead Iraqi wouldn't be thinking "oh well at least I was murdered by an american/brit rather than by Saddam."

My postcard has a big fat YES on it. :)

you think a war can ever be right?

despite your dubious right wing politics and questionable music tastes aside, i generally think you're quite sensible. but you really think war is right? that saddens me.

I read that "that Saddams me"

I was againest this war when it first came about, but after learning about saddams rape rooms and torture chambers i think that we have to help the people of iraq. its 2003 for christ sakes! People shouldn't have to live in fear. Its about time someone stood up to that evil bastard saddam. I am not too sure it was a good idea to go againest the UN.

I feel sorry for the men and women who are fighting the war. And I feel for their families.

i'm with Rosie on this one.

help the people by killing them?

they shouldn't have joined the fucking army if they didn't want to fight. They should have gotten a proper job instead.

the people fighting in the war on the americans/british side are people that joint the forces to do just this sort of thing and will be loving it.
there's no point feeling sorry for them.

There is a TVGoHome Gulf special here

Thats a very western attitude to that Rosie "its 2003 for christ sakes!". I know it seems odd for us in the West that people have to live like that but that is what some countries, not just Iraq, are like, that happens in alot of countries, whether we like it or not.

quite. It's hammer time etc etc

Its a shitter that ppl are gonna die - but the future generations will have better opportunities and a higher quality of life.

they shouldn't have joined the fucking army if they didn't want to fight. They should have gotten a proper job instead.

Where I come from (a predominately pike..... err I mean working class area) there are fuck all jobs. Everyone ends up either in the Army, on a building side or on the dole. Very few people get the chance to escape this cycle. There are no "proper jobs". How very Daily Mail of you Chay.

How's the army not a 'proper' job chay?

The forces people won't be 'loving it', it's not much fun, it is however the job they took and the job they are payed to do and they will do it as well and as professionally as they always do when they are called upon. its only because of these people that you are free to go on pathetic stop the war marches when the war is on and force thousands of policemen and women to have to babysit you instead of doing any number of other tasks, and its the sacrifices the forces make that allow you to spout the 'war is always wrong and anyway its illegal' theories that have been doing the rounds in recent weeks.

Beargod: It maybe a very "western" way of thinking about it, and i am fully aware that many countries have similair problems. But how is the world going to be made into a better place if people like saddam are not stopped? I don't think anyone should be totured or raped and I don't think that is a "western" way of thinking. No-one should tolerate this kind of abuse - whether they live in the west or not.

"its only because of these people that you are free to go on pathetic stop the war marches"

Bollox!

The army is a job for testosterone fueled wankers. No GCSEs? Join the army! Meet interesting people, and then kill them.

Still you have a point, it keeps the pikeys off the streets. Though there are plenty of other things they could do rather than join the army. Learning to read and write would be a good start.

*its happening whether we like it or not".

Beargod, some people don't like the fact these ppl are living under these conditions and they think they can do something to stop it. Good for them. They have my support.

Rosie: True but they do, don't get me wrong I don't condone it

Like i said before, If we get rid of Suddam, the Americans will put another evil dictator in his place to protect their oil from Iran like they did 30 years ago. Suddam was just an American Puppet to start off with.

Anyway I thought we were singing, what song are we on now.

Beg pardon oh mover of brightly coloured cartoon characters, but you don't know what your talking about.

the people in the army have never faught for My right to freedom of speech in the 20 years i've been on this earth. They've used up valuable tax money and resources on their silly little war games. That is all.

The army is a job for testosterone fueled wankers. No GCSEs? Join the army! Meet interesting people, and then kill them.

This is just elitist middle-class wannabe-intelligentsia bullshit.

OMG. Chay! *it keeps the pikeys off the street*

I can't believe that! These young men are putting their lives on the line for the greater good of the world. To mock them like that, IMHO - is wrong.

I'd like to see you working through the logistics of setting up camp in the middle of a desert in the blistering heat! These soliders are not stupid.

All I'm saying is that most of them have to draw a big R on one boot and a big L on the other.

Beargod: They are not gonna put another evil dictator in saddams place. Thats bollox.

You have to be pretty dumb to consider putting up a tent in the middle of a desert in the blistering heat to begin with.

Why is that Bollocks Rosie? Thats how Suddam got into power there in the first place, why would they not do that?

You have to be pretty dumb to consider putting up a tent in the middle of a desert in the blistering heat to begin with.

So as well as dissing people in lower economic brackets, you are dissing Bedouins too?

i still find it a source of constant amusment that the US actually trained Osama Bin Laden in the first place. Hahahahaha. American tax dollars were spent training a terrorist. Hahahahaaha

Chay: I really don't believe you just wrote that. Do you honestly believe that our soliders are thick?

:-O

fact is, they will be loving it, if your not slightly insane when you join, they turn you insane, it's just the way it is.

I wasnt dissing people in a lower economic bracket. by "Pikeys" i meant those twaty little kids that hang around in Middlesbrough and don't go to school i wasnt dissing that community, just the little wankers who swear at my friends and swing off the lampposts

These "insane" "stupid" "pikeys" soliders protect us and the country with thier lives. How many of us here would have the bollocks to do that? They deserve respect.

Pikeys is another way of saying townys. The people who hang around on the streets at all times of the day/night

WTF?

Ok then i will revise my statement:

"You have to be pretty dumb to consider putting up a tent in the middle of a desert in the blistering heat to begin with in full army gear as part of a pointless war. If it is your normal life then that is a different matter"

So it "Us" and "Them", now? And how does this make you any better than Bush?

"protect us and the country with thier lives"

Yeah they are really protecting us by killing foriegners. oh thank you mr soldier.

I think chay Is trying to make a big bomb shelter for all of us with all this digging of his

Us and Them?

I'm digging a hole to bury all the dead soldiers in. I'd better make it a big hole, it seems that 12 of them have killed themselves already

Us and Them?

Yeah, talking about "Townies" and "Pikeys" with a superior tone. It's no more than a microcosm of Bush's attitude in this war.

then I'll allow a massive great hole for the "friendly fire" brigade

CHAY: They are killing these particular foriegners so that the country has a chance at a better future. They are not killing the foriegners who surrender. They are killing the ppl who are supporting an evil cnut who is running their country into the ground.

"we're all going on a summer holiday"

sing people sing

Oh that's right cos the innocent people that are accidentally killed in these conflicts are "collateral damage" or "unavoidable civilian casualties"

Rosie: but how is that "protecting us with their lives?"

no more worries for a week or two!

Chay you hippy

You can't make a cake without breaking a few eggs unless the cake doesn't have aggs in which is weird.

i would like to think i would have the bollocks to do it, and wasn't foghorn in the army?

Where is fl today?

they have the bollocks, just a pity that they keep them on their foreheads

"Fun and laughter on a summer holiday.
No more worries for me and you."

Chay: It would be a wonderful life if the world could live in peace. But unfortunately until we blow the fuck out of the baddies - thats not gonna happen. Hence the reason for this war.

For a week or two-ooh-oooh

For a week or two!

God Bless Colostomy Cliff!!

cal - i wouldn't like to say that I have "right wing" or "left wing" views - I have my own, I don't really swing either way.

I'm not saying that war is always right, however in this case I don't see another alternative. Saddam has been killing his own people for years, he is an evil man, and I don't think anyone can say otherwise.

What else can be done? He is not meant to have scuds, but aparently they have been launched against us (ok, I know there is no proof of this yet). The person that wrote a biography on the bloke recently said "I've no dought he has weapons of mass destruction, and he will use them".

Maybe American and Britian should of stepped in sooner, maybe they shouldn't of put him in power in the first place, but now we have to look to the future.

I think that war is the only viable option left, we gave peace a change and it didnt work, I don't want to wait until he uses his weapons killing even more beore something is done about it.

No-one has the right answers, no-one knows how long this war will last, but if we minise casualtys, and get rid of him and his hencemen the world will be a happier place.

I'll be voting for Tony again.

Here Here jlittle.

*round of appluase*

No matter how many terrorists we kill there will always be more, Terrorism comes from peoples beliefs and emotions, no matter how many wars we have on the matter we are always going to have more wars. SO World Wide Peace is never going to happen.

Plus its human nature to have fights between people.

So unless we can get rid of our emotions and everyone agrees to that we will always have war.

Some people may disagree with war but as a civilian we don't have much option to prevent wars so if there is one then get over it.

haha no world peace "until we blow the fuck out of the baddies"

heehee :)

that would make a fantastic T-shirt

Id just like to say if they introduced conscription and we ALL had to fight, would you not be glad of a few properly trained soldiers to show you the ropes, and generally do they bulk of the fighting? War is about the most frightening experience I could possible think of (apart from coming face to face with Beargod in a dark alley - aaaeeeiii!) and im glad that there are people who are willing to be part of a professional fighting force to protect us from conscription and defend us. The whole war issue is the point of this thread is it not, so stop dissing people who maybe "testosterone" filled, but they arent wankers. Have a bit more respect.

well said gobbo.

I have no respect for murderers and wouldbe murderers. and shouldnt your password have two s's in it stevey? ;)

How can you see my password?

my respect for you chay has just gone down the drain, go and read the guadian in the corner quietly

Should you be discussing passwords? Abusing our power are we??

jlittle - i was talking to gary not you! but very well put points in your little speech :)



quote of the month!

no, how can he see my password?!?! (looks around website frantically looking for an answer)

oh christ. I haven't just agreed with josh wank have I?

chay is the admin dude

also, lest we forget, the SCUDS launched at Kuwait shouldnt have been in Iraq, so hasnt it justified the war?

Gobbo is my and chays friend from uni so no its not josh

oh, Chay stop abusing me! (er, no thats not what i meant...)

respect for soldiers? yes, we should have. they do a job, same as most of the employed people in this country. it's not their fault that the people in charge are a bit derranged. they do a job that (unfortunately) needs doing and that i don't want to have to do. so respect to them.

Thats right, im a dude, and Simons batman.

Oh Phew! Thank fuck for that!

What does Nov think about the war? Where is she today?

RUSS - the Independent and Private Eye not the Guardian.

Arsepuppy, I'm not abusing my power just joking with a friend from the real world

Chay: have u got the hump?

yeah steve dont worry your password isnt showing. but you see what i mean right? ;)

chandler, these are the SAME soldiers as the one's that were trying to stop fires not so long ago, don't forget that.

The army play an important part of life in this country, if it wasn't for them, some of us may not been around now - don'r forget that they are also part of national intelligence - they try and stop the IRA and other such activities from bombing us, they try and restore peace aswell as defend our country.

Anyone that doesn't respect what they do should be thrown off a bridge IMHO.

"have u got the hump?"

Yes. cos i'm not getting humped by Redmaiden ;) heehee

Nah, it is the leaders and commanders and people that annoy me the most. I guess you lot are right that the grunts are just doing their job.

sorry everyone.

the Independent and Private Eye not the Guardian.

That's OK. The Grauniad is awful. Tailor-made for Nathan Barley types.

i'd like to know what november thinks too, also i'd like to know what the feeling is out there in the good ol USofA

I love u chay.
xx
:)

WooHoo! Its VC day! (victory for Chandler coming to his senses)

what is IMHO?

incite my horse opera

well we should expect good service from them considering the amount of money that is spent on the military

implied meat handling options

in my humble opinion

i thought it was "in my humble opinion" but if your opinions arent humble then i guess the other will do

I think Americans are clever enough to see that Bushes thin vailed political thuggery is trying to disguise the fact that the American economy is going stright to hell, I doubt he will last another election. Same could be said for Blair, but I think he generally has had to make some very difficult choices whilst in government - petrol and fire strikes, BSE, Kosovo, Afghanistan, Iraq, how much flak can you give one man? I think he mostly gets it right, i mean the minimum wage is going up isnt it?

But is the tax not doubling at least the min wage?

The sad thing is, Bush probably will be re-elected.

Russ: The feeling is the same as everywhere else. Some feel it is right others feel it is wrong.

Rosie: I am here, but busy with work. I do not and will not discuss what I feel about war or politics or religion. That is just the way I am and I hope you are ok with that.

:) Hey I still don't like this war thing. But i was going a bit overboard on the soldier bashing i admit.

oh i love you too Rosie ;)

fair enough

Shit! This is my 1012th post!! I spend far too much time here....

(or 1048th according to the stats)

thanks Russ

Ideally considering the Tories are a write off, the Lib Dems will get a few more seats from those who dont like tony any more. I agree he has had a tough time. Labour will still have power but not an outright majority and will have to work with the others. that would be ideal.

ap: the stats include topics you've started too, not just replies

Who has fucked with my posts?

Arsepuppy: this is post 2915 for me. I REALLY need to get out more!

Cal messed with your posts Rosie but only the IMHO ones

chay: but you've been posting here longer than me!


Pray for beargod, he's not been here long and he already over 500 (!) :)

yes, thats cos simon (beargod) has a job in which he does nothing all day ;)

ah, ok. :)

why was my posts changed? Did i say something bad?

I'm going home now, it's too quiet here.

Off to spend the weekend wanking for change.

Bye!

cu ap!

I would really be interested to know why my posts was changed...

Rosie: Cal changed them cos it doesnt mean "honest opinion" it means "humble opinion" and cos he thought he was being funny. Give him a good telling off. I would

I only change offensive posts or my own.

No No - I ain't gonna tell him off. Its his place.

Iam just worried I've upset someone by what I was saying.

I hope I haven't..

not at all - i just chnaged your definitions of IMHO to make them funnier. just mucking about. i am a bad person :(

cal you did a bad bad thing. ;)

Phew! - I thought I'd pissed someone off.

:)

I'm bored of the war already. Someone tell me when they get to Baghdad, I'll switch over from cbeebies then.

very bad and deserve a spanked botty

"Pray for beargod, he's not been here long and he already over 500 (!) :)"

Thats cos I get bored at my work and can't be bothered with it. But yes I will have to stop soon cos I have alot of work to do, plus I love Cal, he's my hero.

oh dear. why's that?

Cos of how cool you are *suck* *suck*

RedAndWhiteMan says: Yes to war!

Yay RedandWhiteman, we will follow you everywhere

I think RedAndWhiteMan should dress up as Captain America and walk through the streets of Baghdad. That will prove how hard he is!

what about some lovin' for me disney boy?!

I love you more Red. :)

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

chaaaaaaaaaaaaay & Emmmmmmmmmmmmma (sitting in a tree)

tis a bit high up!

the next line is "K. I. S. S. I. N. G"

or maybe "E.N.G.A.G.I.N.G. I. N. S.O.M.E H.E.A.V.E.Y. P.E.T.T.I.N.G"

you'll have to catch me

we are in a tree, i don't think catching you is going to be a problem.

Oh now you've fallen out of the tree and broken your ankle, so there is no problem in catching you

ROSIE! OI! ARE YOU GETTING HITCHED SOON OR WAS THAT A JOKE???

Me and Red need to know so we can plan Chandler and Monica based bedroom chinanigans at the wedding!

thanks!

oooooooooooh, can i be the cameraman?

no

damn, you sure, i am rather good.

Hmmm...



It is my firmly held view, that in some cases, it IS the right thing to do. I make no apologies if this saddens you or anyone else here.

no taking photos thanks, well chay can

Gary: can't you see me and Redmaiden are getting randy. Enough of this silly war talk.

Red: yay!

yes make love not war! (and a cup of tea for me afterwards pls)

*makes mental note*

I'll have to refrain from lighting up a cig though :(

yes

Emma and Chay sitting in a tree
W-I-N-K-I-N-G!

hahahahahaa

I would like to contribute some useful, but I really am not qualified to say whether the war is right or not. I just hope that the loss of human life is kept to a minimum.

Not likely, baghdad has six aging SCUDS. America launched 1000 cruise missiles. You do the math.

I was just replying to Cal's post, Chay. Now that's done, I'll let you and Emma get on with it. ;)

Everyone always asks if the war is right... but surely the important question is

or what is going to be Left of Iraq when they are done

that's one of my favourite quotes:

"War doesn't determine who's right. War determines who's left"

God, how many times to talk about the war?

It's so wrong, it's actually illegal. I mean, the UN didn't condone it. It's just a couple of governments going and doing stuff. Whether or not it's doing a good thing (and it seems slightly bizarre.. 11 years of putting up with Saddam Hussein, and then going after him.. surely keeping the weapons inspectors there would be a more sensible and cheaper way of making sure Iraq doesn't attack anyone).. it's still done with no support from the United Nations..

Sorry, I forgot..
DOCTOR LUCID IN THE fRIKKIN hOUSE!
FORK eYE lIUDs!!

I voted yes because they are the ones that started this war so they should be the ones to suffer.

Yeah, how dare they invade poland like that!

Oh wait.

Yeah, starting the war. Bastards. Didn't they invade Kuwait or something?