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news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamsh...

That'll learn us.

I never understood hunger strikes,
"I'm going on hunger-strike in protest!"
"Okay, don't mind me while i sit here and eat this steak and mushroom sandwich then Bwahahahaha"

OMG!

That it F***ing Revolting!

I nearly puked up a bit of sick when I saw that photo.


EERRRRRGGGGHHHH!!

how did he do the second eye when he couldnt see what he was doing :)

Used a sewing machine, innit.

Yeah! Who would help anyone sew up thier own eyes?!

Gross.

it looks like hes used dental floss to stitch his face up - the stupid twat.

:)

i reckon its all a big stitch up

Can you imagine the skill involved in something like that?

You must have to pull the lid right away from the actual eye in order to get the needle through and under.

YUK.

More desperation than skill nay?

Possibly!

get the fucker out of the country - prat.

Oh Come On! Hes sewn up his fecking eyeballs. Give the geezer some credit!

"get the fucker out of the country - prat."

*thud*

Come on, it's not like he's Abu bleedin' Hamza is it?

can't say I really want someone with a mental problem like this in my country

He's doing it to make a point though.

"can't say I really want someone with a mental problem like this in my country"

There is so much wrong with this statement it's untrue.

How do you define "mental problems" ?

Sewing up your eyes and mouth with dental floss...?

Dude - he has stiched up his eyes and mouth - a bit different to a hunger strike. Why should we give in to his demands - what next, someone going into a bank and saying "Give me loads of money or i'll stich up my eyes and mouth so i can't eat or see"?

"can't say I really want someone with a mental problem like this in my country"

Yes we must remove all self harmers!! Crazy bastards! Especially this one after all he's only been through torture that out luxurious life style and mindset can't even comprehend and faces certain death upon return. Wuss.

"Dude - he has stiched up his eyes and mouth - a bit different to a hunger strike. Why should we give in to his demands - what next, someone going into a bank and saying "Give me loads of money or i'll stich up my eyes and mouth so i can't eat or see"?"

Yes I think that is certainly the next logical step. Fear of torture and death always leads to bank jobs.

Yeah but to say he should be thrown out on the basis of that is a bit fucking Daily Mail though. There are so many more (legitimately) fucked up people in this country (rapists, murderers etc.). Are they getting deported for this. No.

The kurdish guy is acting in fear. What he's done just proves the extent of this.

ILBM is on the mark here, I think. I was thinking about self-harmers too.

Abas Amini, 33, has been on hunger strike for a week and doctors say he could die within days.

I find it strange that people do it, the IRA used to be big on hunger-strikes, i can't understand why the prison wardens didn't say "Ok, starve yourself. save the taxpayer the cost of keeping you in here"

I don't really understand the whole hunger strike thing, but then again I haven't experienced life in his shoes.

They'd only deport him if the country that he was from was safe again.

I'm sick to death of people like this coming to our country and spending all our money - when I lived in Tunbridge Wells I moved in with my girlfriend, who moved down from Lancashire - and she was unable to claim any money from the DSS because I was earning - even though we were not married, and even though she felt wrong asking me for money (as we had just moved in together).

I'm not saying I don't want any assilum seekers in this country, however I do wish that the goverment could make the decisions without people like this trying to force them to do so.

They are deporting him to CERTAIN DEATH. Uk doctors have confirmed the scars he bares from torture sessions. And they are deporting people to Afghanistan now which is so far from safe it's incredible. The place is a total mess and arguably more dangerous than during or before the war.

Taking all your money!! What a load of ignorant shit. Sorry but it really is. People don't sow their faces up for a few quid. The immigrant community in the UK puts more money into the economy than it takes out FACT. So if it makes you feel better why not imagine it's them supporting assylum seekers and all your hard earned tax goes towards bombs for Iraq.

The government were making the decision it was just going to be the wrong one.

*applauds Mr. Beer*

What a load of crap - the government make many good decisions, the war on Iraq was an excellent one and due to this I shall carry on voting for Labour.

If we're talking about facts, maybe you should research it a little more - a good friend of mine is a laywer (sp?!) that works with Asalym seekers - it costs us a lot of money. As I said, we would only deport him if it was to somewhere that is now declared as "safe" and I think it is completely wrong for him to try and presure people into making decisions, whatever the situation.

lawyer

Asylum

pressure

I sewed a button to my thumb out of bordem once - FACT!

Carry on ladies

Did anyone read that article in the New Scientist the other week on how the war on Iraq, and more specifically, the subsequent lootings, had a negative effect on scientific progression due to many ancient treasures being lost, artefacts from which we could have used to "look back to look forward" if you like.

Also, it's fucking tension-a-go-go out there since the "war" finished. Nothing particularly promising has come out of it.

Sorry, but I have to disagree with my friend Beer here.
I live quite near to the Asylum center that was built two years ago at a cost of £180 million to house these bloody people, and what did they do with it?
Started a fucking fire that destroyed the place, escaped, ran through Thurleigh, stole a load of cars and fucked off.
Where the fuck does a starving Afgan learn to hotwire a Ford Mondeo?

The immigrant community in the UK puts more money into the economy than it takes out FACT
How, exactly?

JLittle: the government make many good decisions, the war on Iraq was an excellent one and due to this I shall carry on voting for Labour.

Er, it's the government that lets these Asylum seekers in, dude.

Arsepuppy: Nothing particularly promising has come out of it.

What do you mean? Loads of innocent people died, and Bush has a headquarters for the upcming 'Oil War'.

www.observer.co.uk/review/story/0,6903,9...

I realise it's not as short as Daily Mail articles but it might be informative. What was that about our noble government? Maybe you should do any research what so ever. Just an idea.

I know assylum seekers cost us money I said that the immigrant population adds more than it takes. You do know the differance I assume? Why not ask them if they mind their tax supporting assylum seekers? Does it cost us as much as a new Wembley? Or the Millenium Dome? Or dropping billions on Iraq (although of course this shall more than pay for itself). I don't think it does you know.

Yes the government do make good decisions you're right. Invading Iraq was not one of them. You do remember we were told it was due to a clear and present danger posed by Saddams WMD? Where are they? Whose rebuilding? Is it Bechtel, Haliburton and a number of their subsidiaries? Why yes it is! Did an independant analyst declare that these US companies did not submit the moast competitive tenders for contract? Why yes he did. Have america decided to retain control over post war Iraq's oil interests? I think we know the answer to this too.

You are also correct that I should research more cause more reading and more understanding is the only way to stop from becoming a fool that believes what ever you are told on the 10 o'clock news.

Grim: I need some help with a crossword:

"Humourous Exchange(4)"

AP: Joke

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;)

"Sorry, but I have to disagree with my friend Beer here.
I live quite near to the Asylum center that was built two years ago at a cost of £180 million to house these bloody people, and what did they do with it?
Started a fucking fire that destroyed the place, escaped, ran through Thurleigh, stole a load of cars and fucked off.
Where the fuck does a starving Afgan learn to hotwire a Ford Mondeo?"

I would imagine he learnt in Afghanistan where they do actually have quite a few cars. Well only 7 and three are broken maybe he learned on a donkey? ;)

I'm not saying there are not problems. There are problems with assylum and big ones at that. However, the fact that this man has sown up his eyes and mouth has nothing to do with assylum in general. He is obviously desperate and in need of help.

"The immigrant community in the UK puts more money into the economy than it takes out FACT
How, exactly?"

Immigrant citizens of the UK from Pakistan, Bangledesh, African countries, other asian countries etc pay more in taxes and the like than they claim in DSS and benefits (i forget the link but i'll try to find it). Therefore why not ask them? After all the government funds Wembely and how many minorities will use that?

Nothing good came out of the war? we stole a shitload of oil. Result!

I think you might be confusing economic migrants with illegal immigrants.

(and its asylum)

Wembley is costing less than Asylum seekers.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1164498.stm
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/in_depth/2001/s...
As for how many minorities will use it - loads. It's not just for football.

I'm not confusing the two at all. I'm comparing the two. Many economic migrants come from these areas so why not ask them if they want their tax surplus to help asylum seekers?

Ok so Wembley is costing less it's a bad example on my part. Sorry. Still if not building it would help a few thousand of these people then I'd vote for not building it. We can live without footy, many of these people will not live without help.

And I have conceeded that we have a problem. I'm not stupid but the attitude of 'these immigrunt types are taking all our joabs and money' is just pathetic.

"I'm not stupid but the attitude of 'these immigrunt types are taking all our joabs and money' is just pathetic."

He's right. Its the bloody aussies and kiwis doing that.
And the italian's are stealing the women too!

haha!

I'm sorry, but 'immigrunts' are taking our money.
This is not the UK's problem, it's a worldwide one, so until everyone worldwide is paying the same as we are, it's costing us, you and me, cash.
I fully believe I should have the choice of supporting them.
I just don't know if I would or not.

note to everyone: look look i've kept out of this argument! hooray for me, im really making progress. :D im not even annoyed by the thread! wow im in a fantastic mood! :D

heehee

We should try and apply for asylum in Afganistan. Should be a scream.

Chay: Thats because you got some! Unfortunatley the italians are stealing the 'some' that should be mine

I never liked that italian tosser.

(although the girl is a bit of a bitch as well)

And there's one on OUR Big Brother =]

Yes I know they are but the issue is slightly more involved. It is a worldwide problem but the issue here is not the number coming in but the number of bogus claims not going out. I fully support my tax going to help these people and if more is needed to help support the genuine claims and improve the effectivness of the system at combating dodgy claims then so be it I'd support the tax rise too. No new DVD for me two weeks out the year boo hoo.

I also believe that we have an obligation to help them. The biggest numbers of asylum seekers last year were from Iraq, Afgahnistan and Zimbabwe. Two we have bombed to shit and one we stand by and watch as the same number of people Hitler killed in WW2 extermination camps are about to be murdered. Hell we even play cricket with them! In my opinion after our actions, or in-actions in these places we owe alot of people help and support. They have a right to demand answers from us.

There is a general moronic view that asylum seekers are poorly educated, money grabbing and sly which is utterly false for the majority. If we helped to integrate instead of treating them like an underclass a large number of the problems that require money would disappear.

"note to everyone: look look i've kept out of this argument! hooray for me, im really making progress. :D im not even annoyed by the thread! wow im in a fantastic mood! :D "

Well done indeed! I'm not annoyed at all. Well maybe a wee bit earlier but now I'm as calm as a Hindu cow :) .

I'm not happy though cause somebody indirectly made my girlfriend cry and I want to hurt him but that would be silly, illegal and cause more problems.

was it the guy who's sewed his face up? Girls dont like that shit normally, do they.

It wasn't me was it, im trying my best to be good. honest.

where is the fun in that?

Maybe I'll stalk him, break into his house and steal all his tea spoons. Heh heh, teaspoons for me and the missus, inaccurately measured sugar portions in hot beverages for him. That'll learn him.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/29...

If you read articles such as that you will see that it wasn't a bad thing. Read about how Saddam and his children brutely tortured people - see what he did - maybe it wasn't about WOMD, however I supported any war to get that evil man out of power.

Oil Oil Oil.

we have a completely different attitude to what we did I think it was less then a hundred years ago. If people from a country that we attacked came over to our country by themselves we would have probably just killed them for being traitors from another country

oi oi oi!

beargod: :S

??

what? its true, we would have killed half the people who came here from other countries and not housed them, unless they had money

you weirdo!

Oh, how did that plan work for the ancient britons when the saxons came a knocking then BG?

BG: um. no.

yeah when we were attacked the majority of us died

But some one usually died

what are you on today simon!!!!!??

Back on the smack then are we? Crumbs.

"If you read articles such as that you will see that it wasn't a bad thing. Read about how Saddam and his children brutely tortured people - see what he did - maybe it wasn't about WOMD, however I supported any war to get that evil man out of power."

Perhaps we could have started by not supporting him and arming him witht he weapons he used in such a barbaric manor?

www.newamericancentury.org/publicationsr...

Read the one entitled 'Rebuilding America's Defences'. Couple it with the statement made in published reports by Rumsfeld that America needed to facilitate regime change in Iraq in order to ensure it's continued energy security and see what you get (i'll try to find the rummy report).

I know what Saddam did. He is a lunatic and the world is better off without him. That does not equate to the war being a good idea. Particularly the way in which the UN was circumnavigated and the lies that were used as justification.

Don't let yourself be fooled, regardless of the outcome which remains very much to be seen, that the US and UK did it all for puppies and christmas. We did it cause we had loads of cash to gain from doing it. No other reason was even on the cards.

If it was for the love of humanity then one of Blairs advisors wouldn't be on the board of a Glasgow company that sells oil equipment to Senegal where ethnic cleansing is going on in order to access said oil fields. The US wouldn't support Israel with $4 billion a year when Israel break more UN resolutions than Saddam ever has. I suppose Nicaragua, Guatamala and Chile were all for the cause of peace also.

The US and Uk are on top cause we're the biggest shit bags. Nothing wrong with that essentially it's just how the world works. What is wrong is us believeing we're benevolent and wonderful cause we're not.

Don't let yourself be fooled, regardless of the outcome which remains very much to be seen, that the US and UK did it all for puppies and christmas. We did it cause we had loads of cash to gain from doing it. No other reason was even on the cards.

I fail to see the problem with this.

Nice Anti-America website - some people will believe one side of it, others will believe another - at the end of the day no-one will ever agree on the REAL reasons for War.

Oh my god!! LMAO.

Anti america???? It's writtem by wolfoitz and rumsfeld and co. Every one is a n advisor to Bush or has links with his administration. If there is a more pro america web site out there I'd like to see it!

Edit: Even Jeb and Cheney are are advisors.

"Don't let yourself be fooled, regardless of the outcome which remains very much to be seen, that the US and UK did it all for puppies and christmas. We did it cause we had loads of cash to gain from doing it. No other reason was even on the cards. "

Nor should you see a problem with it. If folk are honest about the reasons I don't have issue with them at all. I might not agree with them but so what they don't agree with me. Hell they might even be right in the long run (i doubt it though ;) )

whoopsie.

ha ha - that's the website of a very influential american foreign policy think tank. read the names here:
www.newamericancentury.org/statementofpr...
I now refuse to be drawn any further into this thread, as I have to do work this afternoon.

Bad news beerman, politicians lie to you.

How do you mean? I know they lie. They say it's for WMD and so on and then publish documents saying it's not.

I don't mind that they lie but that doesn't mean I have to stop being a pain in the ass about it when people believe the lies.

who believes the lies?

Lots of people do I'm afraid :( . People who think that the Iraq war was to free Iraqi's from Saddams regime, people who think that Palestinians are nothing but mindless terrorist thugs, BNP voters, people who think that America is a pure and good without realising it's past.

Don't get me wrong I don't mind the US but they are not always the good guys.

Lots of people believe the lies.

jlittle: oops. caught out there.

You have to get a grip of them ILBM! grab 'em, shake 'em and say:
"don't believe the hype! don't don't don't believe the hype!!!!!!!!!!!111"

"People who think that the Iraq war was to free Iraqi's from Saddams regime, people who think that Palestinians are nothing but mindless terrorist thugs, people who think that America is a pure and good, BNP voters in Burnley for example."

Hang on, so everyone who is remotely pro-America is automatically BNP? Hang on.

You've made some good points so far, but going for the Guardianista approach of generalisation and name-calling is dodgy to say the least.

"You have to get a grip of them ILBM! grab 'em, shake 'em and say:
"don't believe the hype! don't don't don't believe the hype!!!!!!!!!!!111""

Hell yeah!! Or maybe I could find a tower, climb up with my rifle.....

I'm not a mad activist or anything. I don't even own a cardigan but I do always speak up (type up?) when I see something I don't agree with. As I said this often makes me a pain in the ass but I feel bad if I don't. You think this is bad you should see Christmas dinner :D .

MOTHAFUCK HIM AND JOHN WAYNE!

"Hang on, so everyone who is remotely pro-America is automatically BNP? Hang on. "

Woah woah woah! I didn't say that! It's certainly not what I meant anyway. If thats how it reads I'll change it straight away. Theres nothing wrong with being pro-america. They are a proud people and have reason to be so. Just so long as they know how it came about.

EDIT: Thanks AP that looked really really bad! I've changed it now. I'm an idiot.

No probs mate. I was worried for a bit that I'd accidentally logged onto Urban75.com or something ;)

If it makes you feel better, I used "Hang on" twice in one line. Bad use of English, that.

Whoops.

:) . Ha ha your pure use of grammar is......well still pretty much better than mine so never mind.

news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/nottinghamsh...

i can't believe it, he's won! he gets to say, but he's 'continuing his protest' because we are sending others back. someone go get me my gun.

Do you want to borrow some bullets? ;)

i saw him on the news last night. He looks well fucked up. Why doesn't someone undo the stitches on his eyes?

Why - because I forgot about this thread and didn't reply. I have my own views on things and they were oviously different from kittens - that doesn't make hers right, or mine.

I still think the bloke is an idiot, and I think that the home office are fools for giving in and letting him stay.

I think the point she was trying to make (and the point Cal was reinforcing) was that you claimed that the New American Century site was anti-american propaganda when in fact its as pro-US as it gets.

From News BBC: He told the BBC through an interpreter that he was saddened to hear his case had been upheld because so many of his friends and supporters were still facing deportation.

How the fuck does he speak if he's sewn up his mouth?
What a fucking tosser he is, quite how he hasn't been sectioned is beyond me.
He says he wants to die, so fucking shoot him, save us all some cash.

*thud*

I don't understand all this asylum seekers thing, but i do know that sewing up your face is a bit stupid. How has sewing up his face made him win the arguement?

It is a bit stupid, but I'm guessing he did it to show he was legitimately desperate for asylum and not an economic immigrant. Protest and all that. I think he would have been better off if he just made them a cake or something.

Because green-piece hippies would all squeal if he sewed up his face and then lost the Home Office appeal.

He was already accepted into the country, but the home office appealed against the decision (I don't quite get what the process is, I thought if the HO wanted him out they could just say so). THEN he sewed himself up.
I hope he goes fucking blind.

"green-piece"


Is this what you get if you use Swarfega as wanking lotion?

He may well go blind. His eyelids have become infected. I'm extremely glad he won his appeal. I'm happy there is still some people in government compassionate enough to avoid delivering a man to torture and execution.

As for his continued protest. Well you can see the point as it's a media circus now and you can't buy that sort of publicity. Can't help feeling he could make his feelings about asylum issues known in a more productive manner though.

AP: LOL - actually I always spell it like that to encourace people to go here: www.greenpiece.org

ILBM: He said he wanted asylum, so we gave it to him. He also says he wants to die, so let's just shoot him, surely?

ILBM: I'm extremely glad he won his appeal.
He didn't win an appeal, the appeal to get him out of the country was dropped because he sewed himself up.
I am well confused about that - how does the immigrant process work?

I thought the home office just said 'Yes' or 'No'. How could they need to appeal against a 'Yes' decision?

Yeah you are right. Either way I'm glad he gets to stay.

I guess new information could have come to light. I don't think it's just a government decision at the moment. The case for asylum has to be judged by an independent party (i think).

Cause euthanasia is illegal? (and i think he meant he would rather die than be executed in Iran)

Hehehe.

I would rather die than be excecuted =]

I'm not glad he get's to stay - he's a fucking waster - no dought he will go blind and then realise that he can't work in the country and will have to live off not only non working benafits, but also disability benafits

I would rather be executed than have a lobotomy though. Eek.

(I was watching Brazil last night)

I'd much rather die than be executed. Why is that confusing?

Yes a total waster jlittle. You really have no idea how piss easy our luxurious comfortable lives are do you? Do you even realise what tiny amount of 'your' money actually goes towards asylum seekers? And anyway it ceases to become 'your' money as soon as you pay it to the government.

"I'd much rather die than be executed. Why is that confusing?"

Not wanting to get into a debate about excecution, but, at the end of the day, they are the same thing.

As for giving money to the Government - I can see JLittle's point.

What pisses me off is that I have to pay for it, I don't get a choice.

"What pisses me off is that I have to pay for it, I don't get a choice."


Like the license fee. To think that I have to pay for that piece of shit Holby City, it's a disgrace!

Good call AP!

Have choice. Pay £100 a year for crud telly (except for Red Dwarf and EastEnders) or have adverts and sponsorship.

Ad's, please!

So what? I have to pay for new smart weapons i don't want. I have to pay for publicly funded religous schools which I don't want. I have to pay for Millenium Domes I don't want. I have to bail out telecomms companies I don't use. I have to pay for Jeffery archer to serve in a cushy prison which I don't want. I have to pay for BNP council officials taxis which I don't want. I have to pay for the Tory party which I don't want.

We all have to fund things we don't want to and asylum seekers are just a small fraction of that. If it makes you feel better we'll pretend all my tax goes to asylum seekers and al yours goes to Wembley?

Do you people get a programme called 'River City'?

Now that is poor tv!

You'd pay less under the BNP...
/runs

I'd rather we didn't pay for them atall, and our taxes were spent on people from this country.

That way, people like you, who want to support them, could give them all the cash you like.

ILBM, poor TV is probably an understatement for that...drivle!

I don't want you to think I'm being a skinflint on this matter, by the way.
My business gives 10% of it's profits to charity each year (last year it was McMillan Nurses, this year it's the Cystic Fybrosis foundation), I give £20 a month to Bernado's, and I pay £5 a month to an African girl, who is good enough to send me a few letters each year to make me feel good about myself =]

Whats her name Grim?

I don't know what her name is at the moment - I haven't had a letter from the new one.

(Oxfam gives my money to a different child each year.)

Holby City had Huggy Bear in it the other night. I quite like the thought that I helped pay his wage on that one.

Thats not how society works though Grim. Our elected officials which represent the people of the country have the compassion to want to help these people. Sure there are problems with the system but all systems have problems. If you don't like the way the system works then vote to try and change it. Unfortunatley that means voting for a loony fringe group as even the Tories recognise that many asylum claims are genuine.

The attitude of 'send them all home' and 'they're taking our jobs and money' is just a simple solution for people who don't want to or can't understand the situation.

Saying we should sort out problems at home first is a cop out cause there will always be problems at home.

Grim, ah, thats rather cool..i might do that.

FL: Do it - it's fly. The girl I sponsored last year, Moina, is at school and is going to learn to be an optition.

ILBM: I know that's how it works, none of us like it, do we? Could you imagine if we did get to choose where our money went? =]

However I disagree fully with the statement "Saying we should sort out problems at home first is a cop out cause there will always be problems at home."
So?
We should fix those problems as much as we can before we start accepting 'lum Seekers. I find it remarkable that it is easier for a Seeker to be housed than it is for a homeless person.

I also think that housing these people is a ridiculous waste of time - if we want to help them we should sort out what is going on in there countries rather than offering a temporary solution to the few.

We do help homeless people too. It's not an instead of but as well as.

Obviously we can't choose where the money goes aside from every 4 years in a polling station.

Sorting out the problems (which we often helped to create) in their countries is not easy. Afghanistan is far from safe and the infastructure is gone. This was a vibrant, exciting and modern country prior to 1979. Iraq is going to be a mess for years to come. I'd be suprised if we see a fully functional democratic party system there in our lifetime! So we are trying after a fashion but meanwhile these people need help. I and most of the people in this country want to help them.

I and most of the people in this country want to help them.
Where do you get the idea that most of the people in this country want to help them?

I give £10 a month to shelter. I also give tramps beer because I'm pretty sure shelter doesnt. Apart from that I dont give much to charity.

The man who sewed his face up done it as a protest, I understand this and I also feel compassion for him. This doesnt stop that fact that he now looks like someone from 'Abe's odyssey' being amusing to me.

Come on. We'd all laugh about it in our living rooms if i was on "Tarrant on TV"

"Do it - it's fly"

are you sure you're english?

abe's odyssey!!! I knew it looks familar when i saw that guys face!!!

Yeah, I'm English.
But I do seem to use lots of Americanism's...

People that whinge about things like this and then don't do anything to help munk me off.

I was racing my mate to be first in the cashpoint queue on Friday and I had to jump over a homeless guy who was sitting on the floor.
As I did I shouted "'cuse me Homeless Dude!". One of the girls who was out with us said "You can't call him that!" and I was like "Yeah I can. He knows what he is."
Anyway, she leapt onto her horse and started spouting off about how we should treat them with respect.
I informed her that I called him Homeless Dude because I didn't know his name and it was his most obvious feature. I also told her that this was why, for the first month or so of knowing her, I called her 'Breasts'.
Anyway, I dropped £2 on Homeless Dude and she didn't give him any money, and that pisses me off.

Oh, she did ask him what his name was though. He winked at me and said "Homeless Dude."

I liked him =]

Just read this from BBC news...

"But the asylum process has been difficult for Mr Amini, who at one stage was denied some benefits because he refused to move house."

!!!

MOVE HOUSE IF THEY TELL YOU TOO, YOU UNGRATEFUL BASTARD!

"Where do you get the idea that most of the people in this country want to help them?"

The fact that most people voted Labour, Lib Dem or Tory all of whom have asylum policies of reform but continued support. Anybody who didn't vote (or at least destroy their ballot) should stop whining.

Yeah he should have moved house. Difficult sometimes though. If the situation was reversed and you were in a strange place and had maybe made a couple of friends you wouldn't want to up and move again either. I think if we agree to help in the first place then they should be given all the rights of anybody else in the country. People who lived in council housing used to refuse to move all the time.

The fact that most people voted Labour, Lib Dem or Tory all of whom have asylum policies of reform but continued support.

!!!

These parties do have more than one policy, Beer! If you think everyone that voted Labour / Tory / Lib Dem supports Seekers you are very much mistaken!

And what other choice is there? I've said already that I don't *want* to kick out all Asylum seekers from the country - I just feel that there are too many cases that are not genuine, and I don't think the country should be BLACKMAILED by people such as this bloke that has sown up his eyes and mouth - what kind of message does that send out? To me, it seems to send out a message that it is OK for all Asylum seekers to do something fucking stupid that will keep them in the country - what's next?

I want to help people, but I want people to claim Asylum the right way, and in the correct country (not just come to Britian because they think they would be better here than a country such as Spain, for example).

Until the govenment sort problems such as these out, more and more people will be voting BMP because of one reason - no-one else will have the guts to do something about it.

more and more people will be voting BMP because of one reason


Damn those Bitmaps! I hope they never get in power!

I think its good that we help people, but don't you think the countries getting a little full, now especially with all the people who have loads of babies and so isn't begining to get to the point that we can't let anyone else in?

I honestly think that the current government is stupid enough to start recalling housing for 'us people what pay taxes' and handing it to the immigrants...

OH NO! They've done that already...
Sigh...

Who started this fuckin thread?! :D

:D

^^^^
Him.

The UK has a stable/slightly declining population so no worries there.

I realise there are other policies in these parties Grim but if you vote for one of them you are supporting ewhat they stand for. If you don't like it join your party and try to change things. Vote BNP if you want but you'll just be voting for a bunch of, i believe the phrase is 'lower class vacuous scum' ;) .

Agreed if it all ran properly it would be sweet. If i was coming here from Afghanistan or Iraq I'd be tempted just to disappear into the woodwork when I saw the level of hatred leveled at me. A progrma has just started in Scotland where by asylum seekers are going to be put into jobs in health wok and manual jobs. The reason for this is that there are hundreds of jobs available in these areas for whoever wants them. And yet still high unemployment. Curious.

Many of these folk are qualified professionals (most actually as in many cases ALOT of money is required to make it out of their countries) so why not let them practice? We need doctors for the NHS yesterday and we have a whole load of doctors sitting about claiming benefit? Crazy. Is this because your average person wouldn't trust a qualified doctor who happaned to be an asylum seeker? I think so. See we could also be helping ourselves. It will be interesting to see if the Scottish scheme works.

If you want the problem to be more evenly spread about in Europe then it's easy. Vote Lib Dem, strengthen ties with EU, support the European constitution and there you go. Better than the burying your head in the sand and hoping it goes away the BNP advocate.

ilbm: !!!! yeah thats the phrase ;) you forgot "thick-as-shit"

sorry chandler. How does;

Politically inept morons who happen to have stolen a suit that fits'

sound?

yeah thats good. :D
morons or maybe gorillas?

"And what other choice is there? "

Get up of your ass and do something about it instead of pissing and moaning on the internet and waiting for someone else to change things for you. Might be a start.

I already do support the BNP, so I'm okay.

I do hope you're joking.

aggghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh! nooooooooooooooo! :D

i hope so.
or im gonna go off on one :)

Why "go off on one" because of someones personal decision on what party he/she supports?

If you didn't like Tony Blair (not many people do), are you gonna "go off on one" to any labour supporters you come across?

He's joking. Only stupid people can't see that the BNP have no political aptitude at all. Their policies including 'get the pakis oot' are laughable.

Grim's not stupid.

i hope so.
or im gonna go off on one :)

Aw, but we've just got over the Big Brother thread.

Basically, you'll all sit and preach on the 'net about how you think we should be sorting out the asylum seekers and letting them have jobs because they have to be skilled workers to earn so much money (the fact that some of them sell their own daughters or become hitmen for a while to earn the cash is soon forgotten) but you have probably never come into contact with a group of them trashing your village, right after torching the multi-million pound complex with medical facilities and shops that we built for them.

As ILBM said, most of the people that get here are rich, but unfortunaly, that doesn't make them 'nice people'.

I think Grim was joking.

*fingers crossed*

yep

on a different topic:

do you always put an ' before 'net
technically it is correct but do you put one before 'phone
?
:D

Obviously.
It does seem a shame that they are the only party supporting the 'opposition' of such a huge issue.
If the tories had said 'We'll stop letting immigrants in' then no-one would have voted for the BNP.

Yes, I stick apostropies before 'net, and 'phone I think.
But the word "phone" is in the dictionary so it wouldn't really matter if I didn't.

(You know the reply is going to be long because it's taking a long while in coming)...

Yes I'm sure some of them have done these things and if so it should be investigated and they should be punished accordingly. Still don't see your point though. You want to ban them all for the actions of a minority?

So thats it you saw one bad experiance and it's end of story? I'm sure they just didn't wake up and think 'I know lets smash the place up'. Whats the full story? Even if they did why should that affect some guy from Somalia or Iraq who live sin Glasgow or Manchester?

"(You know the reply is going to be long because it's taking a long while in coming)..."

Cheeky git ;)

oh ok. i wasnt being a twat i was just in awe of your superior grammatical abilities.

net is in the dictionary too, they use it for catching fishies

I know you weren't

You want to ban them all for the actions of a minority?
That's it, that is EXACTLY it! It's not the minority!

My friend who worked at Yarls Wood was spat at and called a 'Nazi Bitch' by the immigrants - not just one or two, but by nearly all of the men and some of the women.
They held the English people in contempt we didn't house them 'instantly', and that the stories they've heard about this country and it's unlimited help for the bloody people weren't true.

She was beaten up once as well - it's just a joke.
These people then stole more than fifteen cars from Thurleigh and vanished.

And yet we keep letting them in.

where do you propose they go grim?

I propose we help them in their own countries.

Why can't they go to Spain, or France, or Italy?

Oh, because those countries have more stringent rules on who gets asylum.

Goodness, what a good idea!

And before someone pipes up "how are we meant to help them in their own countries" - I don't know, damnit - I wish I did.
But letting them into this country is a useless waste of time and money - what happens to the rest of them when this counrty is full up?

It is bloody so a minority! I don't believe for a heartbeat that every asylum seeker your friend came across snarled and spat! What rubbish. The ones who do get nasty should be dealt with as and ewhen it happens. We can't help them in there own countries because we installed brutal dictators who make their lives hell and then we bombed the shit out of them. Its OUR fault. We are responsible.

The majority of Americans I have met have been somewhat arrogant and very ignorant of the outside world. Does this mean they all are? Of course not!

Again these people are coming form lives you and I can't even begin to imagine because our lives are so charmed and rich. All they want is help.

Its OUR fault. We are responsible.

Oh do shut up.

It is bloody so a minority! I don't believe for a heartbeat that every asylum seeker your friend came across snarled and spat!
How the fuck would you know?
I'll bet that you have never met one.

Mind you, I'll bet it gets confusing soon - because you think that most of what goes on in the East is our fault, so do you agree with the attack on the Twin Towers, which was a (bad-mannered, admittedly) attack on the way the countries are being treated?

The majority of Americans I have met have been somewhat arrogant and very ignorant of the outside world. Does this mean they all are? Of course not!
No, but it's widely known that most of them are, which is what I said in my post above.

Grim - I'm not sure if we do, I'm working so I haven't really got time for anything other than a quick look for statistics, I'm not inclined to believe the scum when it claims that we're taking all the refugees that no where else will. I did find that according to the UNHCR we actually had a lower population of refugees than France and considerably lower than Germany in the last year stats had been put on their website (1999). They don't have data for Spain. But I'm interested enough to have a proper look later.

1) We draw a line in the sand (literaly) to define the border between Saudi and Iraq. Ignoring utterly the tribal and cultural boundaries that have been implace for thousands of years.

2) We've already 'liberated' the country once in 1917 and promised to keep it free and for the people.

3) We stood and watched as Saddam rose to power. We stood and watched as he escaped execution and fled to Egypt.

4) We stood and watched as he exectued all oposition when he siezed power.

5) We supplied him with chemical, biological and standard weaopons through the 80's. He was our goldenboy. We loved him. We, the UK tax payers, are still paying for weapons sent to Saddam under Thatcher.

6) When he did what we had trained and equipped him to do we bombed his country and imposed sanctions for 12 years that not only included weaopons but also medical supplies and basic manufacturing equipment. Teh economy was destroyed beyond repair.

7) We went along for the ride when the US decided to invade Iraq because Donald Rumsfeld advises that "Removing Saddam Hussein from power in Iraq is imperitive to ensure the future energy security of America". In the process we tore the country apart.

Nope your right I can't find a single shred of responsibility there. Sorry I was wrong.

I heard that Germany took more than us too - but think about how much bigger Germany is than Britain, and how much richer it is (or at least, was in 1999).

And the Sun employs more people than all the other papers in Britain, and has been sucessfully sued for libel less times than the Guardian, so labeling it 'The Scum' because it reports the news in a simple manner for people to understand is, IMO, unfair.

For instance, it has the best political section of any paper that's out there (IMO again).

Grim; No the WTC attack was disgraceful. What that has to do with asylum seekers I'm not sure. Oh no wait I see it there all terrorists aren't they.

"It is bloody so a minority! I don't believe for a heartbeat that every asylum seeker your friend came across snarled and spat!
How the fuck would you know?
I'll bet that you have never met one. "

What and your friend has met a couple of hundred out of several hundred thousand in the country and that makes you and her experts. Shit.

Bloody hell Beer, where did that lot come from?

You'll be telling us that some Australians aren't convicts next!

yadda yadda

Vic, you are responsible for this....

Both the Scum and Grauniad are shit papers. But the Sun uses fear and bigotry to its advantage.

bloody hell - i hope you're being sarcastic now grim!

The WTC attack was (widely believed) to be a protest against the way the west treats poorer countries.
I didn't suggest that all immigrants are terrorists.

And, just out of interest, the girl who worked at Yarls Wood was a government re-houser, so I guess that does make her an expert.

I never claimed to be.

I am only (in a Catchphrase / Roy Walker sense) saying what I saw.

bloody hell - i hope you're being sarcastic now grim!
Afraid so =]

"Bloody hell Beer, where did that lot come from?"

It came from reading about the current situation.

"You'll be telling us that some Australians aren't convicts next!"
I don't understand what you mean.

Sorry Foggy, in my opinion they are both full of shit but i'm not getting involved.

It meant that 1917 was a long time ago (sarcasm, Beer - my apologies).

Eeh, Vic, why are we full of shit - all points so far have been fair IMO...

"And, just out of interest, the girl who worked at Yarls Wood was a government re-houser, so I guess that does make her an expert. "

Fair enough. My best mate works for a political consultancy and deals with the issue directly on occassion. He is more wide read on the subject than anybody i know of. He says the problem is not the people but the way our system tries to function. So which expert do we believe?

Both, because they are both right.
It is the people and the system.
The system fucks them about and (especially after what they have been led to believe) they fight back.
It shouldn't. They shouldn't.

I'm not saying that nothing should be done, I'm saying that what we are doing is bullshit and it doesn't work and we should stop doing it and wasting everybodies time.

Thats a bit harsh! We're not full of shit. Discussing these things is the only way any progress is made at all.

A few years ago before I took any interest I thought that any and all asylum seekers were welcome and they were all great and we should give them all what they want and live together happily. Now I know it's not like that.

I don't think Grims a dick for what he says we just don't agree.

Yes 1917 was a long time ago but what we have just done in Iraq will effect the country for the next 100 years. Thats just how it works.

come now beer, what difference can this make...fuck all thats what. I dont see any p...woo there horsie, i am not getting involved.

I don't think Grims a dick for what he says we just don't agree.

No-one thinks I'm a dick for what I say (although I did just cock up in the jokes thread).

People think I am a dick because of what I wear =P

Fog - there is no point.
It's just interesting, that's all.

There's no point in posting anything on this forum. It's just something to do.

Yarl's wood is hardly a representative example - it's a detention center for people who have been refused asylum and are being deported/wait to appeal. so mostly people who are wrongly claiming asylum. not much of a suprise that they're angry. bedford is full of (accepted) asylum seekers and i've certinaly never been spat on in the street.

Heh heh. Not alot of difference you are right. But if I start to see his side just a little and he starts to see mine just a little then we're closer to a compromise. Consider it a microcosym of society ;)

We should probably stop though cause it's going to start (or continue) going round in circles and really pissing folk off.

I do agree with what beer says, and I think, on some levels, he agrees with me.
We both no the system is crappy, and that this is a bad solution.

Cal is also correct. That line of houses on the road opposite the Greek restaurant is going to be used to house Asylum Seekers, last time I looked.

Anyway, I have also had enough of this thread.
In closing, I think that the nice man who is handy with a needle should be allowed to starve if he wants to.

/coat

So.........


...I'm having trouble with 1.12. Can anyone help?

I read in the Sun (which is the best paper ever) that 90% of men asking for help with 1.12 were repressed homosexuals =P

Surely the entire Sun readership are repressed homosexuals :P

According to Freud, we all are.
I think.

"Ooh I better pretend I enjoy looking at these tits, or the lads'll think I'm a bummer, innit"

Any paper the employs Littlejohn has to lose a few points, I think.