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??? WTF

I think the only sensible response to this is 'Nay'...

Is this about Mariah Carey??

Na, I think its about Peter Duncan.

sorry.

DUNCAN DARES!

The very one! I am sure he was dared to Inject heroin into his eyeball socket once.

Didn't jim fix it for him to inject heroin into his eyeball?

Give it a rest AP.

tee hee! :)

Sorry mate, I'm just baffled by her appeal. Is it her music or just the way she looks? Just curious.

her music! WAHAHAHAHAHA

My farts sound better!

It's the music - it always has been, and it always will be.

Don't you start either, FL. :P

Yup. Do you think if I kick a kitten's face off it'll achieve an "Eight Octave Range"????

o_O

LOL...sorry Gary. I shall say nothing.

Probably not. But I bet you'd achieve a considerable sentence for animal cruelty, though.

tum tee tum

*whoosh*

....and indeed...

*thud*

BTW I (obviously) don't condone animal cruelty. Just making the comparison between Miss Carey's voice and a kitten in pain....Tsk.

oh *sigh* Well I shall need to edit then...

Which, of course, means you're tone deaf as I suspected. She has one of the greatest voices you're ever likely to hear.

whooo gary and mariah sitting in a tree, k. i. s. s. i. n . g.

etc

Oh fucking hell, don't you start, Chay. :P

don't you get sick of talking out of your elbow gary?

Bollocks! She has a flat voice and screeches constantly. And she doesn't even sing her own stuff anymore, it's mainly some rent-a-rapper doing the whole thing with our friend yodelling briefly now and again. Her miniscule talent (and to an extent, her popularity) died when she separated from Tommy Mottola and started the whole "look guys, I own a minge" direction to compensate for her dwindling stock.

Crikey, you must be cloth eared to think she's *that* good.

No offence, like.

;p

Of course not, Victor! It's the others that do I get sick of...

iamcal: started the whole "look guys, I own a minge" direction

thats a great tagline right there

Rubbish! Her latest album contains almost all her own work! She divorced Mottola because he was controlling her career in a way she didn't want to. She left him and did her own thing, which is fair enough. And you tell me one female artist that doesn't use her body at sometime or another to promote herself?

Edit: What was written here was uncalled for, and I really should know better - apologies, AP. :)

Arethra Franklyn.

oh goodness, welsh comments can get you in whole Heaps of trouble young man

or the less popular but still very talented Urethra Franklin

I'm not from the valleys. That's *South* Wales. Where I'm from, there's a large number of Brummies and yam yams. Welsh is still the first language though.

Now, Aretha, *there's* a fucking good voice.

Totally agree there.

And scousers. Loads of scousers.

(damn junkie relocation policy)

I'll be different here and also say Karen Carpenter. Very poignant and haunting tone to her voice, especially in regards to her eventual fate.

Eva Cassidy and Sarah McLachalan also have that same haunting tone, too - Sarah's is probably the more distinct in that respect.

I just love this place. I mean, where else can a thread titled "Injecting Heroin Into Your Eyeball Rocks!" end up in a brief Mariah bashing session and then a music discussion? :)

Bah! I'm not sold on the Eva Cassidy thing. I honestly believe that she would still be unknown now were it not for her unfortunate death. Such a weak, substanceless voice. And a sick money making exercise by the record execs too.

I must agree there. It's a shame that she had to die before her wonderful voice got the exposure it rightly deserved. I think an album of hers has gone to No. 1 recently...

Death sells :(

For example, see Nirvana. In their day, some critics saw them either as inferior to Hole, or just a mainstream Pixies tribute band. But when Mr Cobain played Brain Snooker with that gun it was all "WOW, WEREN'T THEY *BRILLIANT*"


*urgh*

Urgh. That's one genre of music, with a few exceptions, that I intensely dislike. :|

The Pixies were awesome though.

Obviously, the pixies fucking rock. Nirvana were largely "very good" too, but not pixiesesque

Right now i'm listening to the mamas and the papas. They didn't use sex to sell did they?

Mama Cass. Fucking Amazing voice. My ex used to get violent with people who took the piss out of the larger-than-life singer.

"Smells Like Teen Spirit" was heavily based on the Pixies "quiet/loud/quiet" formula though. Cobain quite happily admitted this himself.

Right... we're developing a list here..

Aretha Franklin.
Karen Carpenter.
Cass Elliott.

Now, how can anyone say that Mariah Carey is anywhere near the standard of this three, for a start??

(has gary heard of any of them?)

Aretha Franklin.

talk of the devil.

www.ananova.com/entertainment/story/sm_8...

Aretha Franklin is one of the greatest. I've not heard of the other two, though, so I can't say. Vocally though, you'd be hard pushed to find anyone better than Mariah... Whitney Houston (another favourite of mine) comes close.

Not heard of Karen Carpenter or Cass Elliott???

**THUDABONGO**!

do you actually believe the shit you talk or is it a subtle wind up?

or have you been injecting heroin into your eyeball?

me or Gary?

not bothered really, it can be you if you like.

gary

I don't do drugs I'm afriad. But yes, I do believe the stuff I write - I wouldn't write it if I didn't. What would be the point other than to wind you up? :P

afriad? AFRIAD? are you accusing africans of being triads? sounds like racialism to me.

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD! YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!!!

;)

Doh! Eagle eyes Victor strikes again.

you've never heard of karen carpenter of "the carpenters"?

you've never heard of "mama" cass elliott of "the mamas and the papas"?


jeeeeesus

I'm all upset now. It's rare I make spelling mistakes - especially one such as that! :\

I bet he's not even heard of Shakin' Stevens of "Shakin' Stevens"... :)

Nope. Sadly, I've never heard of them - but if you like them Cal, I'm sure I wouldn't. :P

Who?

Just kidding, I know the name, but I can't recall the music.

NEVER HEARD OF THE CARPENTERS??? W..WHA???

[insert Chay's thud.gif]

lolol
:D

:D

how can a human of our age not have heard of the carpenters or the mamas and the papas. did you live in a sealed bubble for the last 20 years?

or even a Seal-ed bubble.
that would be fecking horrible

maybe he wasnt sealed in a bubble, he's just been California Dreaming

I'm not too sure. I've probably heard of the name, but I just can't recall the music.

or maybe he's just depressed cos Rainy Days and Mondays always get him down.

Ugh....

Monday, Monday eh?

I think he's spent to much time Calling Occupants of Interplanetary Craft.

not too sure I've heard of the momas and papas, most likely heard their music just the names not familiar

And Gary are you not a fan of the Simpsons, cos Marge and homers song is carpenters

I don't believe there is such a thing as depression - it's just another one of those excuses, like stress, that people use to get time off work and make people feel sorry for them etc.

Really? Never knew that.

Bollocks.

YOU ABSOLUTE C*NT.

LOL @ AP!

:)

"I don't believe there is such a thing as depression - it's just another one of those excuses, like stress, that people use to get time off work and make people feel sorry for them etc."

YOU LITTLE IGNORANT PIECE OF SHIT.

Christ Almighty

Teehee!

Sorry mate, but that wasn't remotely funny.

I wasn't meant to be. Just speaking my mind.

i don't believe there is such a thing as liking 'danbe' music. it's just for cretins who are too lazy to think for themselves.

If you had *any idea* what it's like to suffer from that and to lose people close to you as a direct result of it you'd know so much better than to say shit like that. W*nker.

Actually, it wasn't what I said that was funny, it was the reaction it got that made me laugh - your language is appalling.

im 100% behind ap on this one. jeesus. :/

?? Explain.

I do have an idea what it's like. And the people I've met who claim to have this mystery illness are all doing the same thing: attention seeking or using it as an excuse not to work.

mystery illness - what the fuck are you on about?

I'm going to stop now, though. I'm starting to sound like Chay in full flow, and that's not a good thing. :\

me, fuming, right now? you betcha.

I'm not going to launch into anything right now cos I'd most likely get banned again, so im reigning myself in.

*deep breaths*

AIDs - that's a mystery illness too

and lepresy. fucking attention seekers

You ARE Hitler, aren't you! Exterminating the weak, etc.

there really isnt a THUD big enough for this thread now. i think a thud would trivialise it.

Gary I so pity you, it must be hard having no compassion and brains. Maybe you should do a bit of research on depression and mental illnesses in general before you mkae your mind up.

Yeah of course I loved feeling suicidal just so I didn't have to work. It was the best excuse ever
/sarcasm

Oh please, Emma. Throwing insults is a little childish, no? I'd of thought you of all people would have known better. I could, afterall, just be provoking people like they have been provoking me all afternoon...

Provoking you into talking bollocks about a subject you clearly know nothing about, offending people here who have had far more experience of the subject than you do?

"it's just another one of those excuses, like stress, that people use to get time off work and make people feel sorry for them etc"

i mean talk about uninformed. i suppose you think people in wheelchairs are too lazy to get up and walk and just sit around all day to make people feel sorry for them?

I think, yet again, this whole thread has been taken out of context. I have nothing more to say. I have more important things to occupy myself with.

Thank fuck, you're finally gonna learn something about taste. yeah?

;)

I wasn't throwing insults I was merely stating a fact

"I think Knob Rot is just an excuse that men use as an excuse to not bang their wives" etc.

So, by your standards, taking the piss out of a shite singer is equal to dismissing an illness as pure folly (especially one that's affected more than one person here)??

You really need to rethink your priorities.

??

"I do believe the stuff I write - I wouldn't write it if I didn't. What would be the point other than to wind you up? :P"

"And the people I've met who claim to have this mystery illness are all doing the same thing: attention seeking or using it as an excuse not to work"

I think that it is a shame that a person, especially a woman, which I presume you are, purely from your profile picture; can make a comment such as this. Even if you are a man, it is still sad.

I appreciate you may have been winding us all up and that your comment is not serious, but I hope that you do possess just a little bit of compassion. That compassion shown towards a person who really is lost and down in the dumps can help them gain trust in themselves and help them help themselves get out of a rut, which is the best cure for depression anyway. It's all about confidence in oneself to beable to change. Its comments like the one you made above that could make someone who is depressed, fail to see the light at the end of the tunnel.

:-)

(gary is a bloke)

"Even if you are a man, it is still sad"

Sorry, I missed this. Apology accepted :)

so friday, are you saying women are less compassionate? with the even part of that sentance.

no saying that blokes are

thats a good point, would it be less sad if a woman had said it?

is that appology written on the music post though rather than the depression post?
im confused.

Dunno.

I'm guessing the depression thing. Unless he's apologising for liking Mariah Carey :)

sorry BG, I dont understand what you are asking exactly, but I am not saying that women are less compassionate, no

ok its just the appology was under the music post and not further down. but lets assume the best shall we. :)

Chay - thanks
Vic - I dont know the statistics, but I presume more women than men suffer from depression but I 'post' to be corrected

With regard to the apology: I believe it was a Welsh/sheep affecting APs music taste remark (hence chay saying he would get in trouble)

With regard to depression: There are roughly two major types
Environmental: as in something has happened in a persons life which has caused depression. The event (or prolonged circumstances) can of course be any number of things. This I think is what friday is describing and will usually require help of some sort either from friends/family or a therapist.
Physiological: as in a chemical imbalance in the brain. This will usually require medication.
Both forms have a huge inpact and cause unbelievable suffering to the person with depression and the people close to them and take unbelievable strength and effort to cope with or overcome.

I'm sure he didn't mean this at all.

My mother had the first type of depression described to miki, due to the death of my father, she usually shouted at me at this point, I think because of it, and she had a lack of sleep and never seemed happy.

The second type, I have heard some foreign people are getting funded to research the brain more, so maybe with some sort of luck they may discover why and maybe a cure for it, and alot of other things

Indeed Beargod, wise words.

by the way after eight years I think my mum has conquered her depression by getting herself another man, so everything(apart from the lack of a dad) seems to be going well :)

where the hell is Vic, why is he not correcting my spelling, or have I spelt everything correctly?

i dont know

Hes gone on the missing list.


:(

He is online though.

*looks left*

I saw that, hmm maybe, he is not online, but he got cal to program the site to say he is online at all times so we don't get scared thinking he is not here

Well, about half way down this thread, I considered responding to Gary's cussing of early 90's grunge rock music.

But it's not really appropriate.

People who say any illness is all in the mind are bloody stupid though. It seems absurd to believe anything without reasonable reason to believe it. So, what is yr reason for believing there is no such thing as depression? Empirical evidence? Or an attempt to wind up some bleeding-heart liberals and people who diss Mariah Carrey? Either way, it seems quite a bizarre direction to go.

"Oh hell, I really fancy a few days off work. I'll just fake depression. That's right. Maybe I'll cut my arms up as well. Oh great. This'll fool the boss!"

Oh, and Nirvana rule! Not to mention Pearl Jam, Mudhoney, etc...

TBH I'm not amazingly keen on some bleeding-heart liberals either, due to their wishy washy beliefs, many of which (esp. in the case of your average Guardianista) change as "fashion" dictates.

Hmm... I was going to let this drop, but since there are two ambiguities to sort out, I shall continue...

Friday: I'm a guy - I put that picture up because I was planning on putting a picture of myself up, but I'd forgotten to scan it, so instead I just plucked the first one I could find off my hard disk.

AP: I wasn't apologising for the depression comments, or my liking of Mariah Carey. The apology was for the Welsh comment I'd written, like Miki said. I edited that bit out and replaced it with the apology. :)

Oh ok. You didn't have to though, oh well......


Anyway, a question for you...

You don't believe in the existence of depression, but your idol, Miss Carey had a well-publicised case of it. What do you say to that??

And no, I'm not trying to dig this one up again, just making a point

I wondered that too, confirmed nutter from all reports

No, I'm not even going to answer that. I'm letting this thread die, AP - you should, too. :)

Don't put across opinions that you can't stand by

it makes sense to let threads die when one 'agrees to disagree' - ie, both parties can see where the other one is coming from, and the merit that their viewpoint holds, yet neither wish to alter their opinion.

in this case, it seems that one party simply spouts some unsupported, insensitive opinion, and when he finds himself opposed, he pretends to be all mature by letting the argument go, when in fact he has nothing to stand on.


*thud*

the man is right.

he sure is (reitsma not gary)

Ah, on the contrary Reitsma, my astute Australian friend. I'm letting this go not because I can't stand by my opinion(s), or because I have nothing to stand on.

I'm letting this go because I hate these tit-for-tat exchanges with hours of nothingness in between. I'm letting this go because I'm not here all day every day to defend myself as I'm busy working, and I'd rather not come back day after day to see the same thread listed in the most recent discussions list because then it becomes boring here. And if it becomes boring here, I might stop dropping by every so often - and I'm pretty sure no one would want that - I mean, who would start all these interesting controversial threads, eh? ;)

Finally, I'm letting this go because I'd rather not offend anyone else more than I have done already. I probably stepped over that proverbial line a few days back, so I'm redrawing it here.