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Not wanting to start an argument, but...

The sun, express and mail all carry headlines today to the effect that [the uk] wants to stop immigration. The rate has reached 1 million every five years.

Now if i think about that for a moment, the stupid claims that immigrants "take our jobs" would indicated that there be as many immigrants as non-immigrants (whatever that means!) for there to be a one-to-one job swap. The 2001 cencus says we have 58,789,194 people living in the uk. to get that many immigrants at the current rate would take, let's see, 294 years.

According to the census, we have a population growth, since 1991, of about 2.4%. 1.024 ^ (294 / 10) = 2.008, so after 294 years, our natural popul\ation will have doubled anyway. so we've got a good half a millenium until the number of immigrants reaches the number of non immigrants. Not exactly the "next week" that the tabloids are prophecising.

Thus starts the arguments.

I think this says it all...



The three most despicable papers. They really do say some dangerous, hateful things.

still it sells papers eh. :/

The Sun being the worst IMHO.

fucking Immigrates

Is he related to Hippocrates?

the mail is the worst imo

The thing is, the Mail is more obviously bad, and since it's target readership are the slightly older middle class types, it's less dangerous. The Sun on the other hand, especially under the leadership of Rebekkah Wade, is horrible. Not only does it present highly racist/homophobic/generally nasty material (e.g. the "Asylum seekers" Mr Men spoof and the entire oeuvre of Mr. Littlejohn), but it does so with impressionable people in mind. It's dumbed down to get through the the widest and lowest common denonimator of people and is possibly more to blame for the current rise in far right activity than any other paper. It may have been the Mail in the past, but the Sun in the new bastard.

Even it's use of the English writing is horrible, for instance the recent story of a wealthy masseuse murdered in her home. Headline: "TART KNIFED IN HOME".

And who can forget the whole "name and shame paedophiles" campaign, where paediatricians had their houses torched as a result. During this period the Sun would juxtapose their bile with a "PHWOAR! Charlotte Church! Look at her arse!" article, not to mention the time where they ran a feature where a girl coming up to her 16th birthday would shed more and more clothes each day up to the big day, where she got them out.

O_o is that true?

So I heard.

thats bad

But when I read that "TART" article. I nearly hit the wall in frustration and anger.

That was quite a while ago, i think it might have been the sport rather than the sun and i'm pretty sure it was Disney Lawn Mckenzie.

media.guardian.co.uk/presspublishing/sto...

Surely Old Disney Lawn is knocking on a bit though?

that mr men thing is shite of the highest order.

That's one reason why I hate that paper.

She is knocking on a bit, hence it was quite a while ago.

its the shitness of the article but also the fact that you know the excuse when people call it racist is "oh its only a bit of fun" "we arent racists, we speak for the people" or something like that.

Hey, leave the Sun alone! The columns by Littlejohn and Jayne Moore are the best reads of the week!

As for this immigration issue, I have no problem with people immigrating to escape some of the worst places on earth - some of the stories I hear are extremely upsetting. However, I get very annoyed at those who have no right to be here, and yet still claim asylum - we give them a house, a weekly handout and free healthcare etc. whilst their "claim" is processed - money that could be better spent elsewhere. And by the time their claim has been processed, they've either been here too long so that they're entitled to stay legally, or they've hired a decent lawyer to fight for their claim to stay.

Did anyone see the Tonight program a week or so ago? It was about some guy (asylum seeker, I think) freeloading off our handouts. He drives a BMW, rents out the house given to him by the Government for money, gets free healthcare, and STILL picks up his weekly handout. That really makes my blood boil.

Because none of the people who were born here do that.

"Did anyone see the Tonight program a week or so ago? It was about some guy (asylum seeker, I think) freeloading off our handouts. He drives a BMW, rents out the house given to him by the Government for money, gets free healthcare, and STILL picks up his weekly handout. That really makes my blood boil."

yeah cos he's representative of all asylum seekers isnt he. if you had to pick an "everyman" of the asylum world then i doubt he would be it.

these asylum seekers come over here spend our jobs, rape our money and move into our women. deary me. where will it all end.

The Sun is a load of old bollox although slightly amusing at times. I don't totally agree with the pg 3 thing either.

That's the view the racists and the BNF take - I'm proud to say that I'm not one of those morons.

Page 3 rocks! I've not seen it today... must pop down to the shops to get a copy of the Sun.

Oy.....Vey...


Here's a book you may like...

www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/14101020...

;p

GRrrrr...

Sam Fox was on a daytime show the other week ranting on about how the Sun is a family paper. Errrr, no its not! Its got girls posing with their knockers out. I wouldn't want my kids looking at that when they are eating their cornflakes!

Why not? I've been looking at Page 3 for as long as I can remember! :P

Are you Gary Bushell?

* Yawn! *

i'm tempted to read that book

Hahaha, sadly not, AP.

Yikes! What am I saying!?!? DEFINETLEY not, AP! :\

Um, don't you mean "DEFINITELY"

Argh! Not again!

Gary do you live in a Council house?

Nope. I live quite happily in a three-bed semi in a nice quiet area of Birmingham - why?

oh

Oh, and Page 3 was excellent today - phwoar! :D

All newspapers are a waste. The Independent- "It is, are you?" should actually be "It isn't because 6 members of our board of directors are Liberal Democrats, are you stupid enough to buy it?"

The Mail once ran a competition asking people for money saving tips. One woman wrote in and suggested that she saves money by giving her children sweets and saying to them "lets play a game of 'see who can make their sweet last the longest!'". Which just shows the mentality of it's readers - willing to starve their kids for their own self-betterment. The Sun and The Mirror are just bloody awful. They're still trying to appeal to an England that hasn't existed for 30 years. I have read the Express or the Times for ages. They're probably crap. I do buy the Guardian BUT I buy the Guardian for OnLine, The Guide, Notes & Queries and Our Readers Reads. The rest of it is shite (Yes, I buy one news paper twice a week.) The rest of the news I make my own opinions on.

House prices - now that's something that's out of control since labour came to power. I still couldn't afford a house in London (where I live) if I married someone earning double my current salary. That's stupid. And the police. Should be known as Metropolitan Apathy. Schools - shit. NHS - shit. And they're worried about a few more immigrants. Nice to know these papers have their priorities right.

/RANT

I HATE the Grauniad, FWIW.

/2p

Surely this is just a tad sensationalistic?? I don't think it meant actually giving the child one sweet a day and nothing else.

lol

Another book on amazon

Well, when I first saw this thread title, I thought "Oh darn, this is going to be fun", and clicked my fingers out so they make that Dr. Darcy clicking noise. But actually it turns out that most people on here seem to have a pretty reasonable approach to asylum, and not the "Bloody foreign immigrants! Bastards! Coming here and stealing our jobs, and yet also scrounging off the state at the same time!".

The Sun and the Mail are both a couple of big spazzy racists, and it's disgusting. Oh! How much 'handouts' do asylum seekers get? What vast figure is it? Oh, it's about £30 a week. Bastards! I mean, that's almost as much as the dole!

Has anyone read the Littlejohn vs. Will Self argument?? .It concerns Littlejohn's shite book ("Does it turn into Tolstoy after page 205?").

news.bbc.co.uk/1/uk/1390395.stm

lol i remember that, its great! hooray for Will! :D

"LITTLEJOHN: Well, you can't comment until you have read the other 200.

SELF: Why? Does it suddenly turn into Tolstoy?

LITTLEJOHN: You'll have to read it and find out, won't you.

SELF: Well it won't take me long."

lolololol oh its the most wonderful transcript ever. i'd forgotten just quite how funny it is.

do you think there is an mp3 of the original floating about somewhere?

pinko.

:)

To be honest I think we have alot of things like NHS and schools that we could spend the money on, and I would like to see how other countries deal with immigration cos alot of them seem to always want to come here rather then the option of going to alot of countries, but if they are legitimate cases then yes they do deserve to get away from whatever they are running from

For instance, repeats of Fraggle Rock.

Littlejohn vs. Self is amazing. Respect to Self. (or Self Respect).

Aaaand, one of the reasons that immigrants come to the UK so much is because of the really harsh immigration laws across most of europe. And so pople reckon we ought to change our immigration laws to fit in with the harsher ones in Europe. Whereas if Europe changed their laws, then there wouldn't be a major problem in ANY country. More babies are born in one week in the UK than asylum seekers arrive in one year.

and gang probing

"Whereas if Europe changed their laws, then there wouldn't be a major problem in ANY country"

What you mean look at the issue from all sides and come up with the most sensible solution! It's so crazy it just might work....

ilovebeerme works tonight!

am i? oh bugger I've got an appointment at the chiropracter as well.

AP, what does that mean? cos It confused me too

Just that he's here today.

it's true i am.

Well, yeah. I mean, the only reason people consider asylum to be a problem in the UK is because the UK gets a higher proportion (which still isn't very many) of asylum seekers than, say, France. But think about it, if all counrries accepted more asylum seekers, then it wouldn't really be a problem anywhere, and all the bloody sun readers wouldn't be able to say "ohhh, we're a soft touch."

Canada is the only country openly accepting immigrants at the moment, so maybe they should try and get there, there is alot more room out there

does anyone else wonder where beargod gets his information from

back of a penguin wrapper?

which bit of information do you want me to show you then chay, all that I have looked into cos I am planning to move to canada at some point hopefully

i believe he's right (in this instance) though

i want to move there toooooo

but if canada realy is accepting immigrants with open arms when why doesnt the european countries who feel they have too many ship some off over there?

Because ideally it wants skilled people who can speak english and french, it has so many a year it can choose to be picky so it has a quite easy to get into points scheme.

so it isnt openly accepting immigrants then, its allowing selected migrants that will bring money into the country to come and join them. other countries do that too. we could apply to live in loads of places.

would i get lots of points in the canadian system for being a cool dude? and generally nice?

what are the points for. cos i can't speak french :(

No, because you SUCK.

yes, but it has got a scheme that is accepting loads of people with less qualifications then any other country, except I think we can go to EU countries cos we are in the EU, but that I could be wrong about

depends if they need SUCKers or not

its quite small points for speaking french, but it all helps

do you get more points if when you talk your head seperates from your jaw and you say aboot a lot?

www.newsoftsolutions.com/canada/caneligi...

for the point scheme for canada, I found a better version of this with more explantion but this will do fo now

I'm off.

See you later.

xx

:)

cheers bg,
ciao rosie

I researched the Canadian points scheme yesterday and (if Ive translated my education stuff correctly) I would get the needed 75 points, wooooo.

There is nothing wrong with people coming to the UK - and that comes from someone who works in a removal centre - nice folks most of them :)

Obviously there has to be some controls, for the sake of economy and such, plus i'd have no job otherwise.

GET RID OF THEM ALL!
I really, really mean it - why don't they just all fuck off!

(You guys suck at arguing when I'm not here =] )

I agree lazy work shy moochers!

My mum's an immigrant.

Depends what you mean by "them" and "all".

Actually, no, it doesn't. Unless you're joking.

thought everybody would realise i was joking. just to clarify: i was joking.

Oh we know you were joking, I just doubt there's much sarcasm in Grim's post

Yeah.. there's something about the phrase "I really, really mean it" that would defuse any accidental sarcasm in the "GET RID OF THEM ALL" part.

Which means that Grim..'s either being sarcastic, or exhibiting some dangerous and unpleasant views. I hope it's the first, personally. The thought that someone might agree with Gary is quite a scary one..

I don't think Grim does sarcasm

YOU COULDN'T MAKE IT UP!!!!

POLITICAL CORRECTNESS GONE MAD!!!!

HELL IN A HANDCART!!!!

EINE VOLK, EINE REICH, EINE FUHRER!!!!

*thud*, Grimothy :(