Discussion » Death Penalty.

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Posted by Victor Menendez, 10:04, 17th November 2003:
 
David Davis (Shadow Home Secretary) Wants the Death Penalty for serial murderers. What do you think?
Posted by Victor Menendez, 10:04, 17th November 2003:
 
(Nice cheery topic for a Monday morning)
Posted by RUSS, 10:06, 17th November 2003:
 
kill all hippies
Posted by Redmaiden, 10:11, 17th November 2003:
 
Kill all Conservatives.
Posted by jlittle, 10:27, 17th November 2003:
 
Kill all Liberal cu*nts :)

Dealth Penality is a bad idea - I don't like the idea of killers reforming and being let out eventually, however sometimes they lock up the wrong person, and it'd be wrong for an innocent person to die.
Posted by Victor Menendez, 10:36, 17th November 2003:
 
Didn't someone once say "It's better for a thousand innocent men to die than for one guilty man to go free"?
Posted by Grim..., 10:42, 17th November 2003:
 
JLittle: Perhaps it would be okay for re-offenders?
Posted by RUSS, 10:42, 17th November 2003:
 
i think i agree with that
Posted by Rosie, 10:43, 17th November 2003:
 
I say kill 'em. Just like those evil bastards that killed those 2 little girls holly and jessica. I wouldn't hesitate to put a bullet in the back of his head and send him straght to hell where he belongs. The murdering swines.

Of course...this would make me a murderer - but you know what I mean...... (I hope)
Posted by chandler, 10:45, 17th November 2003:
 
nope, you would be a murderer too and no better than him/them in any way
Posted by Rosie, 10:47, 17th November 2003:
 
I suppose your right chay. :(
Posted by RUSS, 10:48, 17th November 2003:
 
i dont think you would be a murderer, executioner yes murderer no.
Posted by friday, 11:03, 17th November 2003:
 
If some franced up person chooses to take the life of others, in my opinion, they should be prepared to lose their own life

what goes around comes around etc
Posted by Kitty, 11:11, 17th November 2003:
 
I'm all in favour for the death penalty, it wouldn't stop people doing horrendous things, but could make Saturday afternoons abit more exciting if they decided to do public ones, esp. when there is no footy etc on telly.
Posted by Foghorn Leghorn, 11:39, 17th November 2003:
 
Until the British Justice system is improved I do not think bringing back the death penalty is good idea.
Posted by jlittle, 12:25, 17th November 2003:
 
I agree with Foggy.
Posted by cal, 12:35, 17th November 2003:
 
an eye for an eye makes the whole world blind...
Posted by WarHead, 12:40, 17th November 2003:
 
So, what do you do with serial murderers, rapists, torturers, etc? Keep 'em locked up for life? The prison system is already full to bursting and it costs a fortune to keep people there. I've seen the argument about it costing as much to execute someone as to keep them in prison for life, but I don't care. Execute them quietly and spend the money saved on genuinely worthy causes.
Posted by Kitty, 12:43, 17th November 2003:
 
We could always test stuff on them instead of using animals, therefore they would be serving some useful purpose and also suffering copiously into the bargain.
Posted by Orinoco, 13:02, 17th November 2003:
 
The nazis rounded all their 'undesirables' up & either shot or gassed them. Not the same thing because the jews were innocent? Maybe. But criminals are still people. I wonder if Rosie would feel as comfortable putting a bullet in the front of a person's head.

The death penalty is simply revenge for the victim's family. Revenge is a hateful building block for any society
Posted by Coppers, 13:13, 17th November 2003:
 
I agree with Orinoco.

Build more prisons if there are too few now.
Posted by WarHead, 13:24, 17th November 2003:
 
Isn't putting them in prison and hoping they rot also revenge for the vicitm's families?
Posted by eatmypiano, 13:25, 17th November 2003:
 
I hate to spoil this for everyone but if you think about the type of people that support the death penalty and think about who is coming to visit the UK this week you'll understand why Davies has said this.

That, combined with a persecution complex caused by his parents no being able to think of a name that is different to "Davies" to use as his first name.
Posted by Coppers, 13:32, 17th November 2003:
 
WH, I'm pretty sure most families of murder victims would say that prison is "too good" for them. Maybe if "life" meant "life" for sereal killers then this wouldn't be such an issue. I guess the problem comes back to money. Keep a serial killer in prison for life = improving the quality of life for many more through investment in the health service, education, asylum seekers etc. Still doesn't mean capital punishment is right.
Posted by arsepuppy, 13:42, 17th November 2003:
 
They should be made to watch "Human Traffic" on a constant loop with their eyes wired open. That'll teach 'em.
Posted by Coppers, 13:43, 17th November 2003:
 
That is truly a shit film.
Posted by Victor Menendez, 13:43, 17th November 2003:
 
Learn 'em.
Posted by Orinoco, 14:14, 17th November 2003:
 
"Isn't putting them in prison and hoping they rot also revenge for the vicitm's families?"

Indeed it is. Prison doesn't help matters, especially for short termers, the idea of rehabilitation is to change a person's way of thinking from 'crime is ok' to 'crime is bad (mmkay)' one of the biggest influences on a person's way of thinking is peer pressure. Surrounding a criminal with loads of other people who think crime is ok isn't going to help anyone change for the better.

What is the solution? I don't really know. Isolating a criminal from other criminals & immersing them in their victims seems worth a try.
Posted by tommorris, 18:16, 17th November 2003:
 
It doesn't reduce murders. After it was abolished in 1965 the amount of murders has not decreased because often they are not logically thought out but more spur of the moment (although the line between murder and manslaughter can be quite thin).

In any case, it is unlikely that politicans could bring back the death penalty now that it is banned by the European Convention on Human Rights.

Plus in response to an earlier post - a murder is only a murder if it's "unlawful" which an execution isn't. (I know, the amount of hours spent arguing about whether or not that it's rather barmy to have a circular definition for murder - the crime of murder is against the law because it's unlawful... ;)

David Davies is just riding the publicity wave around R v Huntley and Carr, who have not even been convicted yet. People were screaming to hang them last year - wait till they've been convicted by a jury of one's peers before you start the shouting and screaming.
Posted by jeffld, 00:05, 18th November 2003:
 
I say we boil them first, and eat them later..

or we could just ship them off to Australia...
Posted by RUSS, 08:49, 18th November 2003:
 
yeah and make them watch the rugby, that'll teach em

fucking eggchasers
Posted by Grim..., 09:10, 18th November 2003:
 
fucking capitalletteraholics
Posted by RUSS, 09:51, 18th November 2003:
 
YEAH FUCKERS THEM BASTARDS!!
Posted by Victor Menendez, 10:04, 18th November 2003:
 
HEHE
Posted by Grim..., 10:25, 18th November 2003:
 
HOHO
Posted by Grim..., 10:25, 18th November 2003:
 
We'd best stop - we're probably scaring Cal...
Posted by WarHead, 13:13, 18th November 2003:
 
What they need is someone's Great Aunt to give them a jolly good talking to. That would put a stop to their naughtiness.