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Posted by su, 14:16, 27th May 2004:
 
is BadgerBadgerBadger a meme?

and who deicdes when something becomes a meme?
is their a meme police?

and if badgerbadgerbadger isn't, what was the last meme you saw?
Posted by Saltation, 14:23, 27th May 2004:
 
badgerphooonnee!!
Posted by Saltation, 14:24, 27th May 2004:
 
ohhhhh a ring ring ring ring ring ring, banana phone! [repeat]
Posted by Saltation, 14:26, 27th May 2004:
 
and who deicdes when something becomes a meme?


me! mememememememememememememememememe....
Posted by WarHead, 14:37, 27th May 2004:
 
I don''t 'get' it.

I've read several definitions, and I still don't get it.
Posted by Saltation, 14:41, 27th May 2004:
 
i first ran across it in "the selfish gene" by richard dawkins (TOP book, btw)

essentially, just as a gene is a self-propagating portion-of-molecule, a meme is a self-propagating idea.

the idea replicates when one person carrying it communicates with another person. e.g. religion. e.g. baggy trousers halfway down your butt. e.g. cigarettes
Posted by WarHead, 14:43, 27th May 2004:
 
I don't get it. It's just 'things.'
Posted by Brock, 14:44, 27th May 2004:
 
Sal: He's old. Give it up. Meme's may just count as a "new trick".

;)
Posted by su, 14:46, 27th May 2004:
 
that michael jackson baby game was grand
Posted by Saltation, 14:46, 27th May 2004:
 
roll over wh. roll over! eww ick. all over the carpet. does this wh belong to anyone?
Posted by WarHead, 14:46, 27th May 2004:
 
No, come on, I'm determined to understand what it is that makes it different from anything else. Explain it to me in plain English, there's a good chap.
Posted by Saltation, 14:47, 27th May 2004:
 
wow, incredible simil-post there. both on the 27th of May too
Posted by Saltation, 14:48, 27th May 2004:
 
well, an idea exists only in people's brains. you can't touch it. it's not a 'thing'

you can't touch religion, for example. but it's real, and it replicates when so constructed (only a few are actually designed to replicate). so it's a meme.
Posted by Doctor Lucid, 14:48, 27th May 2004:
 
I don't believe in memes.
Posted by Saltation, 14:49, 27th May 2004:
 
so any concept which exists only in people's minds but which spreads among people is a meme
Posted by Saltation, 14:49, 27th May 2004:
 
doc: everyone's being saying that lately
Posted by Saltation, 14:50, 27th May 2004:
 
heh
everybeing's been saying that lately
Posted by su, 14:52, 27th May 2004:
 
is not beliveing in memes a meme?
Posted by Saltation, 14:53, 27th May 2004:
 
it is ... The ANTI-MEME!!! [dum, dum, dummmmm]
Posted by Grim..., 14:54, 27th May 2004:
 
I thought a meme was, as far as the world of blogging was involved, something that everyone suddenly started using, like a google search of their site, or a drop-down box with their links, or something.
I didn't think it could be a website, it has to be something that someone can have.

I could be very wrong, of course.
Posted by WarHead, 14:55, 27th May 2004:
 
See!! You can't bloody agree what it is.

And don't start me off on blogs either.
Posted by Saltation, 14:58, 27th May 2004:
 
yeah, pretty much. so far as the blogoverse goes.
Posted by su, 14:58, 27th May 2004:
 
'all your base' was a meme
Posted by Saltation, 14:59, 27th May 2004:
 
wh: pay attention there! naughty boy. an idea replicating by net instead of by face-to-face conversation is not a different thing.
Posted by Saltation, 15:00, 27th May 2004:
 
those quizzes are blog-memes
Posted by WarHead, 15:00, 27th May 2004:
 
Are you saying it's just a shared idea?
Posted by Saltation, 15:01, 27th May 2004:
 
pretty much

but the key thing is: it spreads. like a gene takes the pattern for its own distribution with it, a meme will spread itself without substantially changing
Posted by WarHead, 15:02, 27th May 2004:
 
Fuck me!!!!!1111111111igiveup
Posted by Saltation, 15:04, 27th May 2004:
 
here! has WH been hanging round french people?
some of their key culturual elements seem to have rubbed off on him
Posted by WarHead, 15:08, 27th May 2004:
 
Which ones?
Posted by WarHead, 15:09, 27th May 2004:
 
By 'fuckme!!!!!11111igiveup' I meant, what a load of crap is being written about fuck all.
Posted by Grim..., 15:11, 27th May 2004:
 
Nothing new there, then =]
Posted by Miki, 15:12, 27th May 2004:
 
WH I kinda see it kinda like a fad
someone makes something up, maybe an injoke like !!!11 and then another person sees it and then they use it on flickr and then 20 more people use it and they carry it to some other place

I wondered the same thing as su, when is it a meme not just an injoke/something youve heard somewhere and you like. Maybe it is related to how widespread it is
Posted by WarHead, 15:13, 27th May 2004:
 
Miki, thank you, I will have your babies.

How come it took someone from across the channel to explain this in plain English?
Posted by Miki, 15:17, 27th May 2004:
 
no problem :)
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:18, 27th May 2004:
 
Who knows, maybe Miki is used to explaining things to simpletons, she does know Chay after all.
Posted by WarHead, 15:19, 27th May 2004:
 
Bite me, shit-for-brains.
Posted by Miki, 15:19, 27th May 2004:
 
But I'll be keeping my babies if/when I get any, thanks all the same ;)
Posted by WarHead, 15:22, 27th May 2004:
 
I know you know it was just an expression of my extreme gratitude for explaining what the natives were unable to.

I'm not surprised, actually. I went to Holland with my school when I was 11 and everyone, including junior school kids, seemed to speak better English than we did.
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:27, 27th May 2004:
 
Sorry, in my spare work time i am working on 'the perfect post' where i can insult as many people as possible with the greatest economy of words. Just testing.
Posted by WarHead, 15:29, 27th May 2004:
 
No need to apologise. A man should have a hobby.
Posted by Sul, 15:33, 27th May 2004:
 
I flicked the V's to a dwarf in Holland.
Posted by Miki, 15:36, 27th May 2004:
 
:) it varies, but almost everyone speaks it at least a little.
There are however countless cloggies who speak and write deplorable Dutch, and I get just as pedantic with them as the Pedant Police on here :D
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:38, 27th May 2004:
 
I think i've cracked it actually, check this out:


HALLA! Ne s3xy @ir1z WaNNa cHAT??
Posted by WarHead, 15:39, 27th May 2004:
 
Have you thought of taking up plane spotting?

%$&%$(%)$%
Posted by Miki, 15:43, 27th May 2004:
 
btw. HALLA! was missing from the iamcal faq list, as was FACT!
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:48, 27th May 2004:
 
That's because it's one of Cals shoddy projects, and i'm in a good job for trainspotting really.
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:48, 27th May 2004:
 
That's because it's one of Cals shoddy projects, and i'm in a good job for trainspotting really,
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:49, 27th May 2004:
 
That's because it's one of Cal's shoddy projects, and i'm in a good job for trainspotting really.
Posted by Miki, 15:52, 27th May 2004:
 
echo
Posted by Alfie, 15:57, 27th May 2004:
 
echo with different punctuation each time
Posted by Abe Frohman, 15:59, 27th May 2004:
 
Well done Hawkeye.
Posted by Miki, 16:17, 27th May 2004:
 
Hawkeye Pierce ?
Posted by WarHead, 16:23, 27th May 2004:
 
Trainspotting?
Posted by cal, 17:54, 27th May 2004:
 
as saltation said, to learn about memes read dawkins' the selfish gene (and if you like the genetics side, read the extended phenotype, but beware - it's heavy going) and then read susan blackmore's the meme machine whish is also an excellent book.
Posted by cal, 17:55, 27th May 2004:
 
i know about the typos, don't fucking correct me :)
Posted by WarHead, 23:15, 27th May 2004:
 
I just wanted a quick and simple explanation for a slow old bugger like me to know what 'memes' were in the context used here.

When I read that "Susan Blackmore makes a case for the theory that the inner self is merely an illusion created by the memes for the sake of replication" I lose interest.
Posted by Sul, 23:25, 27th May 2004:
 
HAHAHA

I laugh because that's exactly where I clicked "X" too. :)

I always attrubited a meme to a bandwagon. A single thought that morphed its way across a variety of media until someone turns around and declares it a cliche (straplined before of course).
Posted by Doctor Lucid, 00:54, 28th May 2004:
 
I quote

A meme is
a piece of viral information - one you've heard it, you just have to
pass it on. A good example of a meme is the "All your base are belong
to us". As fun/entertaining/annoying as they can be, they are of
interest to postmodernists because they are a perfect example of the
self-contained signs, empty signs, signifiers without a signified.
Posted by Alfie, 01:17, 28th May 2004:
 
so badgerbadger etc is a meme then
or at least for the porpoises of my memememe joke it is.