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Posted by ilovebeerme, 12:41, 23rd July 2004:
 
"The multiverse theory has spawned another - that our universe is a simulation, writes Paul Davies.

If you've ever thought life was actually a dream, take comfort. Some pretty distinguished scientists may agree with you. Philosophers have long questioned whether there is in fact a real world out there, or whether "reality" is just a figment of our imagination.

Then along came the quantum physicists, who unveiled an Alice-in-Wonderland realm of atomic uncertainty, where particles can be waves and solid objects dissolve away into ghostly patterns of quantum energy.

Now cosmologists have got in on the act, suggesting that what we perceive as the universe might in fact be nothing more than a gigantic simulation.

The story behind this bizarre suggestion began with a vexatious question: why is the universe so bio-friendly? Cosmologists have long been perplexed by the fact that the laws of nature seem to be cunningly concocted to enable life to emerge. Take the element carbon, the vital stuff that is the basis of all life. It wasn't made in the big bang that gave birth to the universe. Instead, carbon has been cooked in the innards of giant stars, which then exploded and spewed soot around the universe.

The process that generates carbon is a delicate nuclear reaction. It turns out that the whole chain of events is a damned close run thing, to paraphrase Lord Wellington. If the force that holds atomic nuclei together were just a tiny bit stronger or a tiny bit weaker, the reaction wouldn't work properly and life may never have happened.

The late British astronomer Fred Hoyle was so struck by the coincidence that the nuclear force possessed just the right strength to make beings like Fred Hoyle, he proclaimed the universe to be "a put-up job". Since this sounds a bit too much like divine providence, cosmologists have been scrambling to find a scientific answer to the conundrum of cosmic bio-friendliness.

The one they have come up with is multiple universes, or "the multiverse". This theory says that what we have been calling "the universe" is nothing of the sort. Rather, it is an infinitesimal fragment of a much grander and more elaborate system in which our cosmic region, vast though it is, represents but a single bubble of space amid a countless number of other bubbles, or pocket universes.

Things get interesting when the multiverse theory is combined with ideas from sub-atomic particle physics. Evidence is mounting that what physicists took to be God-given unshakeable laws may be more like local by-laws, valid in our particular cosmic patch, but different in other pocket universes. Travel a trillion light years beyond the Andromeda galaxy, and you might find yourself in a universe where gravity is a bit stronger or electrons a bit heavier.

The vast majority of these other universes will not have the necessary fine-tuned coincidences needed for life to emerge; they are sterile and so go unseen. Only in Goldilocks universes like ours where things have fallen out just right, purely by accident, will sentient beings arise to be amazed at how ingeniously bio-friendly their universe is.

It's a pretty neat idea, and very popular with scientists. But it carries a bizarre implication. Because the total number of pocket universes is unlimited, there are bound to be at least some that are not only inhabited, but populated by advanced civilisations - technological communities with enough computer power to create artificial consciousness. Indeed, some computer scientists think our technology may be on the verge of achieving thinking machines.

It is but a small step from creating artificial minds in a machine, to simulating entire virtual worlds for the simulated beings to inhabit. This scenario has become familiar since it was popularised in The Matrix movies.

Now some scientists are suggesting it should be taken seriously. "We may be a simulation ... creations of some supreme, or super-being," muses Britain's astronomer royal, Sir Martin Rees, a staunch advocate of the multiverse theory. He wonders whether the entire physical universe might be an exercise in virtual reality, so that "we're in the matrix rather than the physics itself".

Is there any justification for believing this wacky idea? You bet, says Nick Bostrom, a philosopher at Oxford University, who even has a website devoted to the topic ( www.simulation-argument.com). "Because their computers are so powerful, they could run a great many simulations," he writes in The Philosophical Quarterly.

So if there exist civilisations with cosmic simulating ability, then the fake universes they create would rapidly proliferate to outnumber the real ones. After all, virtual reality is a lot cheaper than the real thing. So by simple statistics, a random observer like you or me is most probably a simulated being in a fake world. And viewed from inside the matrix, we could never tell the difference.

Or could we? John Barrow, a colleague of Martin Rees at Cambridge University, wonders whether the simulators would go to the trouble and expense of making the virtual reality foolproof. Perhaps if we look closely enough we might catch the scenery wobbling.

He even suggests that a glitch in our simulated cosmic history may have already been discovered, by John Webb at the University of NSW. Webb has analysed the light from distant quasars, and found that something funny happened about 6 billion years ago - a minute shift in the speed of light. Could this be the simulators taking their eye off the ball?

I have to confess to being partly responsible for this mischief. Last year I wrote an item for The New York Times, saying that once the multiverse genie was let out of the bottle, Matrix-like scenarios inexorably follow. My conclusion was that perhaps we should retain a healthy scepticism for the multiverse concept until this was sorted out. But far from being a dampener on the theory, it only served to boost enthusiasm for it.

Where will it all end? Badly, perhaps. Now the simulators know we are on to them, and the game is up, they may lose interest and decide to hit the delete button. For your own sake, don't believe a word that I have written.

Paul Davies is professor of natural philosophy at Macquarie University's Australian Centre for Astrobiology. His latest book is How to Build a Time Machine."


I'm just waiting for the first instance of a being to publish a paper saying that the universe isn't created perfectly enough for their molecules to exist :D

Dear Scientific Magazine,

I was on the bog this morning and the entire of 'being' collapsed upon itself as the fabric of existence unravelled. To me this is evidence that the universe is indeed random and not an intelligent design.

Yours Faithfully

......*ping*
Posted by Foghorn Leghorn, 12:43, 23rd July 2004:
 
I am NOT reading all that. no, no way. You cant make me.
Posted by ilovebeerme, 12:46, 23rd July 2004:
 
Sorry i forgot you were from Glasgow ;)
Posted by Foghorn Leghorn, 12:51, 23rd July 2004:
 
Woooo...mOm
Posted by Saltation, 13:26, 23rd July 2004:
 
a/ very old idea in the scifi world

b/ slightly reworded, becomes "Genesis"
Posted by Saltation, 13:29, 23rd July 2004:
 
"We may be a simulation ... creations of some supreme, or super-being," muses Britain's astronomer royal, Sir Martin Rees, a staunch advocate of the multiverse theory. He wonders whether the entire physical universe might be an exercise in virtual reality, so that "we're in the matrix rather than the physics itself".


if yahwehlzebub predated the universe in order for him to create it, this implies the universe is a subset of and operating within the real physics. something i always thought poorly analysed in most religions' creation myths
Posted by Victor Menendez, 13:33, 23rd July 2004:
 
Genesis?

Posted by Grim..., 13:42, 23rd July 2004:
 
Are the super-beings that are simulating us being simulated themselves by super-super-beings?

And are the super-super-beings being simulated...

Etc...
Posted by ilovebeerme, 13:42, 23rd July 2004:
 
I know it's a very old idea but it is fairly recent that well respected scientists have started giving it some credit.

It just seems a non-starter that the universe is 'designed' perfectly for those that ive in it! Of course it is otherwise you wouldn't be living in it.
Posted by Saltation, 13:46, 23rd July 2004:
 
Vic: see? that's us that they're leaning on

holy trinity, batman!
Posted by Saltation, 13:50, 23rd July 2004:
 
ILBM: yeah, tautologically fraught. surprisingly few people seem to twig, though.

interestingly, there's growing evidence to suggest that most "constants" aren't. ie we are just seeing a local set of values. eg, speed of light appears to have been different many many moons ago.
Posted by ilovebeerme, 13:55, 23rd July 2004:
 
I like the local value idea. It makes the whole shebang more chaotic.
Posted by Saltation, 14:01, 23rd July 2004:
 
which is a good ting!

only takes a moment of non-anthropocentric thought: 99.99999recurringoneone% of all physics/chemistry experiments have been done in a wildly unrepresentative environment: at the bottom of a pretty steep magnetically protected gravity well formed near a wildly unrepresentative star: it's not binary, for starters.

wait till we've repeated some of the basic physics experiments out past the oort cloud or outside the odd solar boundary or on the surface of jupiter or.... etc etc.... THEN we can start making wild extrapolations a bit more confidently
Posted by ilovebeerme, 16:41, 23rd July 2004:
 
And for that we need star trek to be real :D
Posted by Saltation, 16:44, 23rd July 2004:
 
:O WHAT ARE YOU IMPLYING!?!?!?!!? THAT IT'S **NOT**???!?!?!
Posted by Andy, 21:57, 23rd July 2004:
 
No-one seems to have covered why would a super-being waste their computer on running a credible model universe.
To take the closet current equivalent, I don't know of anyone who runs the sims for more than a week before they start pissing around with it and making them do stupid stuff. Maybe we should expect the laws of physics to start changing in strange ways with hilarious consequences.
Posted by moitio, 22:04, 23rd July 2004:
 
I can sadly say that I actually try and make them live normally. I got one bacholar who was the top of his job, had a massive house (without cheating) and went to bed at 9pm every night.

I am soooooo sad
Posted by Saltation, 22:43, 23rd July 2004:
 
Andy: we're a Trojan

a pack of bloody script kiddeities have hijacked god's pc from their mum's place and are downloading olympian pr0n while also running CETI (Creation of Extra Terrestrial Intelligence). god is swearing and banging his monitor as it grinds to a halt but has been on tech.support hold for 32 aeons now and still hasn't got as far as a supervisor. he's big, but he's not clever.
Posted by jeffld, 00:20, 24th July 2004:
 
That would explain why the sky is blue. It is gods blue screen of death.
Posted by Brock, 09:55, 24th July 2004:
 
hehe
Posted by arsepuppy, 15:38, 24th July 2004:
 
I played that Sims for the first time ever the other day.

The mum burnt to death in the first day when the oven caught fire.

The dad challenged Death to a game of Scissors Paper Stone for her life back and won.


I now know Niki Lauda's secret for survival.
Posted by Victor Menendez, 15:59, 24th July 2004:
 
My favourite Sims murder technique is to build a pool, get the ones you don't like to jump in and then remove the ladder. then giggle as they frantically paddle in circles and finally drown.
Posted by Victor Menendez, 15:59, 24th July 2004:
 
Oh and then sell the gravestone. kerching!
Posted by Victor Menendez, 15:59, 24th July 2004:
 
God I'm a sick bastard.
Posted by Brock, 20:47, 24th July 2004:
 
yup.

Admirable though those traits would be in a James Bond uber-villain. So maybe that makes you cool in a kind of sick way...
Posted by su, 00:00, 25th July 2004:
 
i once tried putting them in a room with no windows and taking away the door, but i didn't have the heart to go through with it.
buring them at the BBQ seems more considerate
Posted by lau, 00:11, 25th July 2004:
 
I've never had a game of Scissors Paper Stone with death. What expansion packs do you have AP?
Posted by arsepuppy, 04:46, 25th July 2004:
 
fuck knows, i played it at my g/f's house. Deluxe Edition, apparently. Means nowt to this old drunkard.
Posted by cal, 00:24, 27th July 2004:
 
anyone here seen the thirteenth floor?
Posted by WarHead, 00:59, 27th July 2004:
 
no. what's your opinion?
Posted by su, 02:21, 27th July 2004:
 
that film was pants
Posted by Sul, 07:36, 27th July 2004:
 
I really liked it.
Posted by Victor Menendez, 09:40, 27th July 2004:
 
that film was pants
Posted by cal, 17:58, 27th July 2004:
 
i liked it
Posted by ilovebeerme, 18:12, 27th July 2004:
 
I really like pants
Posted by Saltation, 09:14, 28th July 2004:
 
beer pants?