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A Hong Kong man has been jailed for three months for film piracy after he shared movie files over the internet.

The authorities say he is the first person in the world to be prosecuted for passing on files using a popular file-sharing program called BitTorrent.

It makes the sharing of material easy by breaking a file up into fragments and then distributing them.

The film industry says it hopes the sentence handed down to Chan Nai-ming will prove a deterrent to others.

Chan, an unemployed man who called himself "Big Crook", was arrested in January for uploading three Hollywood movies - Daredevil, Red Planet and Miss Congeniality - onto the internet without a licence.

He was using a popular file-sharing program called BitTorrent, which allows users to download content from multiple sources. Each source supplies a small part of the whole film or song.

When anyone downloads a file it becomes a source for others, making it easy to share or trade music or movies, but very hard to trace who has uploaded or downloaded the material.

The Motion Pictures Association of America says its members lose $900m dollars in potential revenue to piracy each year in Asia alone.

The authorities in Hong Kong hope that Chan's three-month sentence will deter others. But the BBC's Hong Kong correspondent Chris Hogg says that since April when Chan was first charged and his case was widely publicised, there has been no noticeable impact on the number of files being shared over the internet.

The other problem is the time it takes to build a successful prosecution, making it almost impossible to carry out a comprehensive crackdown on small-time internet pirates, our correspondent adds.

The movie industry started targeting the operators of BitTorrent networks themselves last December.

It filed numerous lawsuits against BitTorrent server sites which linked to copyrighted material in order to undermine the ability to swap content.

The action resulted in the closure of some high-profile BitTorrent sites.

In May, US Federal authorities succeeded in closing a website that was distributing pirated copies of Star Wars: Episode III: Revenge of the Sith before the film opened in cinemas.

If I ever go to jail it will not be from films like Daredevil & Miss Congeniality.

hehe :D

but Red Planet, that's got your fingerprints all over it, mr mcSFG

Why am I Mr McSFG? /:

I can tell you what the 'c' is for...

1 out of 7, Brock?
Must be a good day.

(:

What a comeback. I am in awe of your banter skills.

Seriously.

Oh.

Wait.

Nah, it was shit. Try again. I'll give you a free serve.

Freeserve went out of business months ago, wombat. So what d'ya wannadoo now?

I'm ashamed to say I enjoyed that pun.

And so you should be, Sullivan.

Punning is a great British tradition; there's no need to be ashamed of enjoying it.

Brock: Oh, 'comeback'. I thought you meant 'cunt'.

15 hours and that's the best you can come up with?

/me shakes his head sadly.

I'd start a fight, but it hardly seems worth the effort, if you aren't even going to try.

Geez.

Yeah, alright, Brock. You're the man.
Can I go now?

SuperFunGordon, what is your name?

It's a thing that people use before thay ask me a question.

No, c'mon. Not your surname or anything, just your first name?

Um... Aw, I don't know.
I'm blatently one of the regulars, and the tediousness of pretending to be someone else (especially someone French (who so obviously isn't French, if you read his posts (especially his early ones)) is getting to me now, as are the backward smilies. Ugh.
So, without further ado...

/removes his mask in a Scooby-Doo style...

No, c'mon. Not your surname or anything, just your first name?

It's Matt. And I would have got away with it, if it weren't for you pesky kids!

Hello =]

Oh, and: Goodbye, all (;

The backwards smilies were truly the most fucking awful thing in the world.

And there have been separate discussions about quite how french you aren't, too.

:)

Although I was hoping that it may have been AP. Would have been nice to see some old faces and the like. It was never going to be Vic, cos Like I say he'd rather gargle bleach than claim to be french.

/me waits for newbie with decent banter and claiming to be french just to be a cunt

I know - I had one with you =]

I just want to know if Cal knew who I was. There have been subtle (and very not-subtle) hints, and my IP's from Flickr would have matched these ones.

Because if he didn't realise, that means he wasn't talking about me when he said

at least one of the regulars isn't who they say they are

fucking french

Matt, you naughty thing! (Hi Matt).

fucking germans

Hahahahaha awesome!

Anyone understand what they are saying? I think the orange plane pilots were pissed because they got the furthest door.

I can speak German, remember?

Orange
Morning! Sleep well? [Sarcastic]
Yeah yeah...

White
Look at those guys over there!
Look at that guy, that big head and the small cap!

Orange
Look, those two over there...
[Opens window]
I didn't know you can build an airplane out of dog crap!

White
You don't even stand a chance, you twerps and your jalopy! I'm killing myself laughing!

Orange
You really wanna try this out, don't you?
[General 'Come on then' type phrases]
3, 2, 1... GO!

[Race]

White
Shit!

Orange
How are you, guys? You all right? [Sarcastic]

Woman inside airport
The aircraft is now ready for boarding.

Excellent. I like the way the co-pilot in the orange thumbs his nose at the other plane. Nice little touch.

When I asked Cal last night he said it's not one of the current regulars but he wasn't sure. Oh and he accused me of wearing the SFG mask a little while back so... I'm guessing he didnt know.

And I'll admit it, I was pretty much fooled. I found the idea of someone constantly having their identity questioned hilarious.

Not fair...I can't get away with it because I'm the only IP coming out of SA :( Blast it, forced to be honest...

Against all your natural instincts as a woman...

IP spoofing is a piece of piss, Syl.

...says "Complex technical attack" so Ja, lost me at complex. Cal is a magical wizard, he would track me down.

"Against all your natural instincts as a woman..."

I resent that.

I dont understand. What did you resend?

You again. Gnat. Not re-sent. Resent, as in resentment.

Oh, silly me.

You resent being a woman?

No, I resent his implication that women are inherently dishonest.

Well, they're either dishonest or fucking stupid, cos they don't know truth when it punches them in the clout, do they?

/runs

Here here!

(Or is it hear hear).

*Whispers* I think it's Brock's time-of-the-month since he seems to be a little argumentative.

NO I'M FUCKING NOT!

*Adopts little boy voice from the Vauxhall commercial* Ooooooo, he's tired.

FFS - It's "Over-tired".

I think you'll find it isn't. All three lads say, 'Ooooo, they're tired.'

In the newest ad, that is. The one with the new neighbours.

I agree with Grim.

Not often you'll hear that, but he is actually right, WH. Never trust old hearing, you have too many hairs in your ears to catch the nuances of normal conversation.

You can agree with Saddam Hussain, if you like, it won't change the fact that I am right and you are COMPLETELY wrong.

See this and listen CARFULLY

www.visit4info.com/details....

Maybe the northern accent is a little difficult for you.

Nope.

Shave the inside of your ears and listen yourself. And watch the fat fuck on the left's mouth quite clearly form the 'v' sound of 'over...'.

Damn, but you lose in style...

That's because he's a little northern git who uses 'v' instead of 'the.' He probably says 'fink' instead of 'think' as well.

But listen, they say, 'Ooooo, they're tired.' The 'Ooooo' is far too long to be the first syllable in 'over.'

However, we can agree to differ as much as we like ..... what we need, is a VOTE!!111

Of course it's over-tired. That's the joke, innit. The kids saying the well-known phrase instead of the parents.

WH: No, they say "Over-tired", they just hesitate over the beginning to make sure they get their cue to say the second syllable of the word together.

I was prepared to be wrong, but citing a speech impediment? Come on. Even if they WERE supposed to say "Ooh, they're tired" the fact that you say he uses a 'v' sound means that they say "ooh, vey're tired"="Oooover-tired".

So they DO say "Over-tired" then, whether they meant to or not (and for that we need a script). 'Over tired' is a much more common expression though, so I can't see it being wrong.

The we must agree to disagree.

We're not agreeing to disagree.

We're all decided that you're wrong.

:)

We shall see.

BTW, we are divided here. Two agree with me and one with you.

And those 2 people are equally daft and deluded as you.

Think about it. The only reason they'd say, "ooooh they're tired" would be if they'd just came to that conclusion, like they didnt know it already. But one already states this by saying "it's been a long day for them".

Whereas overtired is a phrase used by parents to describe their kids appalling and bratty behaviour.

I don't dispute that parents say, 'overtired' but they could just as easily say, 'Oooh, they're tired.' In this case they may just have come to that conclusion when the new lad says it's been a long day.

I am so happy that I sat in an hour of rush-hour traffic instead of watching that conversation unfold. ;)

BTW, if women are so stupid and dishonest; why do you date them, marry them?

Hang on.

Grim, Brock and Sul say "Over tired".

You say "Ooooh, they're tired"

No-one agrees with you. I've even looked up and down the thread to see, and no-one does!

*cough*dementia*cough*

When I said 'here' I meant in my place of gainful employment.

Syl, we date and marry them because we are weak.

Oh, and the sex, of course, although if we knew that all that would stop once we were married, we might think twice about it.

Cos they have wet fannies that are nice to play with.

And because there's not many alternatives.

(WH: Proof1 Proof2)

Ha, ha, haaaaaaa - 2 to 13 eh? Conclusive.

Re proof 2 - the ad agency is Paul Weiland, and I've already mailed them to get the conclusive answer.

Post the email =]

I will, if/when I get a reply.

Tell him to come and post!

What? Why would he want to post here?

I see that Vauxhall say it is 'Overtired.' It'll be fun if the director says differently.

From Grim's second link:

"Dear Mr ****,

Thank you for your e-mail received by this office on 5 September 2005,
regarding the recent Vauxhall Zafira TV advert.

As requested, I can confirm the last word in the advert is 'over tired'. I
trust this resolves your query, however, should you require any further
information, please do not hesitate to contact us again on 01582 427200, or
by return e-mail.

Thank you again for contacting us and allowing me the opportunity to
comment.

Yours sincerely

Rob John
Customer Care Team"

WH: Don't get too excited. It's not going to happen.

01582 427200.

Go on, WH - call!

Pfft, that's just some factotum at Vauxhall, the man who will know is the director.

Ok then: 0207 894 5000 and ask to speak to Tom Hudson or Lee Goulding.

Pfft, that's just some factotum at Vauxhall, the man who will know is the director.

Or the kids.
Or anyone involved in the advert.
Or anyone who 'gets it'.
Or anyone who can hear.

"Dear Mr Warhead,

Thank you for your e-mail of 8 October 2005, regarding the recent Vauxhall Zafira TV advert.

As requested, I can confirm the last words in the advert are, ‘Ohh, they’re tired'. A lot of soft southerners seem to think it’s ‘overtired,’ but they are all wankers and completely WRONG.

I trust this resolves your query, and I hope you had a few pints riding on the outcome.

Thank you again for contacting us and allowing me the opportunity to
comment.

Now buy a fucking car.

Yours sincerely

X

Franco Zeffirelli (his mark)
Director"

"£$%^&^*()%$^&*()_

$&*£&%*

I could call them, but how could I prove it either way? I could say I did and they confirmed that I am right and you are all wrong.


.....

OK, I called and they said that I am right and you are all wrong.



Why is my nose growing?

Lies!

Because you're old and old men have big noses.

And big ears.

With hair in them

Hair in them?


&*(&**^&%£$%&*&^%

Yeah, and lots of it.


(*&*^%%%^&^%*&

Am I right in thinking that your ears never stop growing?

Yes, Grim. For the second time today, you're right.

(I think)

=]

Only we will know what went on there, Brockles.

Earlier today, someone made it so it would've worked.


!"£$%^&*(*&^%$£""£$%^&*

Gah, now you've made it so it would've worked.

Yeah. Nice of me, huh?

Yeah.

But then I made your following one make no sense. How's that for benevolence, huh?

Have you quite finished time travelling?

"Syl, we date and marry them because we are weak.

Oh, and the sex, of course, although if we knew that all that would stop once we were married, we might think twice about it."

I can't think of anything worse than having sex with a stupid, dishonest person. So we are all agreed that men are weak?

NO, it was only me that said that.

But why do women marry men?

Money, idiot.

Not in my case.

Yes, but we all know why you call yourself WarHead ;)

You do?

So you remember that stuff about Ryuichi Sakamoto.

Ry....wha?

Aha, you fibbed.

got to say, i agree with WH. i've NEVER heard anyone say overtired like that, whereas i have heard LOTS of people sit on that conversational filler-sound "Ohhhhhh" to flag they've taken a new piece of info on board and are about to launch into response. and the kids' scripted dialogue is clearly intended to be satirically presented as adult in form, by using standard adult patterns/phrases and rhythms/phrases used by v'norvnuz. so why would they to to such ludicrous extent to bollocks (or as their script would say 'bollix') up the last and major joke line?

disnae ma' any sense, laddies

I thank you. What you say makes sense, but then we're dealing with child actors, and they may have made 123 takes and bollixed it up to such an extent that the director finally gave up in dispair and used the best of a bad lot.

I still haven't had a reply from Paul Weiland so I can't pass on the definitive answer. I asked some people on #flickr to listen to it on Tuesday night, and they were fairly equally divided between the two options.

whereas i have heard LOTS of people sit on that conversational filler-sound "Ohhhhhh" to flag they've taken a new piece of info on board and are about to launch into response

So the kid who's just said "It's been a long day for them" is 'taking a new piece of info on board', is he?

You're both talking shit.
Just because Salt hasn't heard anyone say a word doesn't mean they no-one does.

For fuck's sake, it's fucking "overtired" you retards, "ohh they're tired" doesn't fit the joke for the rest of the advert - but just because the wanking Northern scum kids can't actually fucking speak properly cunts like yourselves decide to start arguments.

ARRRRRRRGH!

Ha ha ha haaaaaa. I still disagree. If one kid says, 'It's been a long day for them,' the others could easily be saying, 'Ohhhh, they're tired' because they've just made the mental connection with tiredness.

And it was you that started the argument when you said "FFS - It's "Over-tired".

You could have let it lie, but you didn't let it lie.

'It's been a long day for them,' the others could easily be saying, 'Ohhhh, they're tired' because they've just made the mental connection with tiredness.

No that doesn't make sense. It doesnt make sense as a joke. It doesnt make sense for the ending of an advert. You are wrong. Salty is wrong. Half the people on Flickr are wrong. FACE IT!

I still think it does make sense. I may be wrong about what they actually say in the ad, but if a significant number of people thought they said, 'Oh, they're tired' and the joke still worked for them, it makes sense.

I thought they said "Ooooh, captain cunty sucks hairy man cock" and I laughed both my nipples off, such was the genius of the joke when combined with "It's been a long day for them".

Oh wait. That's be fucking stupid.

WRONG!!11111

"Over-tired" is a well known expression. ONe that fits perfectly to the gag, the advert, the stereotypical parent speak and everything, as Sul says. That, then, would be why that is what they fucking say.

Aaaah. I needed that outburst.

"Ooooh, captain cunty sucks hairy man cock" and I laughed both my nipples off"

/collapses into gales of raucous laughter

You're just being silly now, Brock.

I very much doubt that anyone else thought they said, "Ooooh, captain cunty sucks hairy man cock"

(That's why I love this place. Cheers me right up :) I think you Brits are natural born stand-up comedians.

And if they did the ITC wouldn't pass it for viewing before the watershed.

And is should have been "Captain Cunty."

I can't believe no-one replied with 'over-tired' after my post! I took me ages to switch into 'Chay-mode' and use all that swearing. What a let-down =[

"chay-mode"

*snigger*

Ooooh, he's overtired.

119 replies, guys.
Time for a new thread, perhaps?

Go on WH, start one off.

OK - something close to our hearts.

whereas i have heard LOTS of people sit on that conversational filler-sound "Ohhhhhh" to flag they've taken a new piece of info on board and are about to launch into response

So the kid who's just said "It's been a long day for them" is 'taking a new piece of info on board', is he?

no-oooooo, that IS the new piece of info.

dad screws up, his child archly excuses him with "it's been a long day for them." the pair talking to the new kid go "ohhhhhh"

Hello all...
Why do none of the people involved in this thread email the advertising company and ask? info@loweworldwide.com
Its so much easier! If you check my question posted september 2005 on answerbank (http://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Adverts/Question138297.html) which has been cut and pasted several times into this discussion, you'll see the emails from both vauxhall and the advertising company who made the advert.
This has become like a messy, drunken fight! Keep it up! But please know that it is finally, conclusively and forever, OVERTIRED...
I thank you...
Whitey

Ha!

Fuck you Warhead and Salty!!!

i had actually forgotten about his thread. It maketh me laugh anew. Particularly when I (and others, as we knew all along) were completely right.

/me flicks the 'v's at the losers.

The reason I didn't point out the letter is because it could easily have been false.

Yeah. And I didnt point out the letter because I didnt fucking need to. It was obvious what they were saying.

though I'm not too sure that the person who posted Mr WH's letter on that site "got it". Which is sweet.

Actually, Salty is a stranger upon this land and WH is just... well... old. We're mocking the disabled. Not that I have much problem with that to be honest. Just thought I'd throw that out there.

pfft. whitey's word seems of dubious reliability. he even claims he originally posted that question when the thread clearly shows he didn't.

i say fie.

I did mail the director, but never got a reply.

However, they're re-showing the ad now, and having made a careful study of it, I am able to say that I was completely wrong and that they do in fact say, 'Ohhhhvertired.'

I notice that in the supplementary ad that now shows shortly after the original, the guys are becoming little porkers. Perhaps they can also be used in the government's soon-to-be-aired ads on reducing child obesity.

It seems to show he did.

ohhhhh, their weight

Saltation...So bitter! Why am I so disreputable for "claiming I originally posted that question when the thread clearly shows I didn't"? Doesn't it say "Friday 02/09/2005 09:15" (September 2005) in the bottom right hand corner of the original question pane on answerbank... Uneditable... etc... Let it go, its painful now...

Warhead... Try vauxhall.customerassistance@vauxhall.co.uk or info@worldwide.com...

Sul... If you mean me when you say: "though I'm not too sure that the person who posted Mr WH's letter on that site "got it". Which is sweet" it does say at the end of my last post on that site that I realise it is probably a joke but I object to being called (/referred to as) a soft southerner...

Byeeeee!

'Probably'.

Are you nuts?

It is my view that there are one of two potential problems here.
If the phrase used it 'Overtired', it is incorrect as it is not a qualified statement. To use this popular (in some parts) word, the sentence should be 'Oh, THEY'RE overtired', and the script writers are at fault for including a sentence which does not make sense, and therefore would not be used in normal English. Afterall, it is 'normal' English that the writers are trying to portray.
If, however, the phrase is intended to be 'Oh, they're tired', then the young actors should have been told to pronounce it properly, as their accents do not require them to pronounce 'they're' as 'ver'.
In my view, it certainly sounds as though what is actually said is 'Oh, ver tired', which could indeed be intended to be either of these two alternatives. I am beginning to wonder whether the real intention of the advertisers was to provoke this kind of discussion. Certainly, I have discussed Vauxhall Zafiras much, much more recently than I would otherwise have done.
I wouldn't buy one though.

It's 'overtired', and it's a common saying when dealing with children, which makes it perfectly correct in the context of the advert.

yeah but the point remains that the rhythm and emphases actually used by the speakers explicitly broke it into an exclamation and a statement. had the intent been to declare "overtired", primary emphasis on the first syllable would have been completely at odds with any UK-resident's normal speech patterns. slight emphasis on the first which is then dominated by the third would be potentially arguable. but in fact, the overwhelming weight is on the "Oh!", followed by a completely different speed and emphases on "ver tired". and a LOT of UK-ians render "they're" as "ver".

a LOT of UK-ians render "they're" as "ver"

I've never met one.

eg "Estuary English"

and from a non-england perspective, a huge proportion of english blur Rs and THs, the voiced fricatives, to the point that they sound like they have speech impediments. they can't hear it, since that's the way they've learned the language -- "it's normal". same way many asian-born chinese/japanese can't hear the difference between R and L because when they grew up, there wasn't one.

Must say that I've never met any English people that pronounce 'th' as 'v' - 'l', yes. 'v', no.

Plus, those boys spoke with an accent that makes the long 'o' fit.

like i said, it's a hearing thing: you've always heard it that way so you can't hear it. kinda like us learning thai: the tones are literally unheard initially so "ma ma ma ma ma" can be normal or incredibly rude or meaningless.

Must say that I've never met any English people that pronounce 'th' as 'v' - 'l', yes. 'v', no.

'v' as 'l'? - I fink not. Woz dat a typo? However, I do agree that I've never heard the English pronouncing 'th' as 'v' at the beginning of a word, but they do in the middle, e.g. 'other' pronounced as 'uvver' or 'brother' as 'bruvver.'

'th' can sound like 'L' at the beginning of a word like 'there'.
Apologies if you thought it was an 'i'.

"vv" replacing "th" midword, yeah. I'm guilty of that, innit.

I had what is probably now known as 'speech therapy' when I was young to correct that.

Back in my day, it consisted of my teacher shouting 'THEY' at me until I stopped saying 'lay'.

Still, it worked, only took two days or so (on and off), and cost the tax-payers a shitload less than a 'proper' speech therapist would.

"'th' can sound like 'L' at the beginning of a word like 'there'."

What? I have never, ever heard anyone (nor heard of anyone) making that transposition. Not even tiny kids. Or foreigners. You may be (as if we didn't know) unique, Grimothy.

And as for all the talk about emphasis, give me a break. The most that you are doing is getting into the minute detail as to why you were mistaken. Regardless, you were mistaken. Let's not look too much into emphasis and syllables, eh? It's three young kids (8 or 10 years old?) trying to act and all hit a synchronous delivery while doing so. The chance of it sounding in any way 'normal' under those circumstances is miniscule. I think the emphasis is (slightly) more on the first syllable because they are concentrating too much on all speaking the word "Overtired" at the same time, and they relax after they have all said the first syllable right. Simple as that.

I'm with Sul and co on this one. Ver meaning they're?! I've lived in this country for 23 years and I've yet to hear that one and I'm pretty sure it's not just because I've grown up with it. For a start ver and they're have different mouth shapes. In the UK we're born with tongues.

Oh and it's so clearly "Overtired" that it's painful that you could think it was something else.

www.theanswerbank.co.uk/Adv...

This site that Grim... linked is the definitive page for this shit. So why are we still arguing when this was sorted out weeks ago?

DB:

Everyone who contacted them (including the person who posed the question) confirms that it's "overtired". Which makes sense in the context of the ad.

We even get a reference in there with some poor sod using Warheads comical fake letter as proof that its "Oh They're Tired".

They soon get shot down.

it even made it into the Daily Express last month:

"
Q: On the Vauxhall Zafira advert, the parents drop a box of crockery and three lads then say, "Oh, the _ _ _ _", but no one in our house can make out the missing word. Can you help? Derek Rudd, Walsall
A: According to Vauxhall, it's not "Oh the (something)", it's just the single word "overtired".
"

I havent heard a kid pronouncing "th" as "l" but I can see how its done. Like some kinds of lisps come from having a fat tongue and thus having a tough time creating the right tongue shape to get the air release right. They Settle on a close sound which parents leave as "cute" but then ultimately becomes a habit hard to break. Yes Grim..., I'm saying you have awful parents ;)

What REALLY upsets me is that those Vauxhall bastard marketing people won, by making us discuss their (franky piss poor excuse for an) advert.

And those kids annoy me.

What REALLY makes me SMILE, however, is that this stupid car advert is being discussed in a Bittorrent thread.

That's sooo iamcal.

=]

Sul: Yeah, maybe =]
Brock: That's because you're not allowed to talk to kids after what happened, innit?

I've often wondered if CILLIT BANG adverts are deliberatly bad, or just bad.
I'd guess deliberatly bad.

I talk to them, but there's not much point. They can rarely answer with their mouths full.

HE'S INARCENT!

You love that one, Barry.

HE'S FIFTYSENT!

no, wait...

HE'S RJKELLY!

Cillit Bang advert badness is a marketting stunt and its manufactured by a large company. There was link to an expose in a b3ta newsletter a while back. I'm at work (yay, skiving after 2 hours of being back) so cant go looking for it.

BANG, and the dirt-y bastard is gone.

I worked at Tesco's when they did their 'deliberatly make some of the trolleys difficult to handle' stunt.

Get some of that, consumers!