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Hello!

I don't think there's a FAT CHUMPS account on here, unless you know something I don't.

*giggles*

How ya doin' warhead?

OK thanks. Today is my second day of retirement and I'm busy working on admin stuff for the new company.

Great :)
I have sorted out my toothache (two extractions) and now I have gastritis. I feel like a bloody hypochondriac! My body is giving out on me!

Awful news about the cyclone in Queensland. Those people have had flood that destroyed their homes and now this. Very very sad face.

I'm certainly fat but I'd like some proof of the chump charge

Do you great everyone you meet by shouting "HELLO FAT CHUMPS", syl?
Only I think that is where you might be going wrong.

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Good for you Syl.

What is an elliptical machine?
Is that a treadmill type thing?

Also that's nothing syl, I weigh TEN times what I weighed 27 years ago! ;D

www.verimark.co.za/Default....

HI!

katie weighs almost three times what she weiged 10 months ago!

hi jeff, I bet you are thin

i've been working to the mantra - "nothing tastes as good as thin"

A friend of mine said something interesting to me the other day. I asked her how she keeps her skinny figure and she said it was mostly about eating not being the most fun she will have all day. I love eating, it's one of my favourite things. I guess if you have a lot of other things going on in your life, you think less about food and eating. I love cooking and experimenting with delicious food, especially now since I went vegan, you have to make more of an effort to make tasty meals, because your diet can become monotonous. Beans beans beans...vegans are farty. *parp*

See the "vegans/vegetarians are farty thing", you will find after a few months of your new diet that your digestive system gets used to the lack of meat and the increase in pulses, and you'll be far less gassy.

I love cooking and eating. We usually cook every day (unless we go out for a meal) and I am trying to cook one new recipe each week, as well as the old favourites, in the hope of finding some new favourites.

Studies have shown that no fad diets work. None of them. Doesn't matter what they claim, what sort of fat they say you are eating, no carbs, just salad whatever, doesn't work. The only thing that works is very simple:

Eat Less, Exercise More.

It's good that you are doing your exercise each morning, as it is the "Exercise More" part that most people fall down on (me included). Also if you do a good chunk of exercise then it means you can eat a good chunk of food and still stay in balance. And your vegan diet means that you are eating Less in terms of fats so that's all good as well.

Keep us posted as how the new lifestyle goes.

And don't forget to share any good recipes with me (I still haven't gotten around to scanning that falafel burger recipe in!)

I recently discovered this website: http://resourcefulcook.com/
It's great, and, bonusingly, has an 'add these ingredients to a Tesco/Asda online shop' button.

Grim... That looks good. cheers.
Also loving the word "bonusingly"

Che...will do :)

if you haven't seen it already, my vegan friend recommended veganyumyum.com - i haven't tried anything from there yet but most weeks i'll have a few meat free meals without really realising it.

I also found that the best way to control what you eat is to have a meal plan for the week - it also saves lots of money on shopping as you're not always going to the shops to get bits and pieces and you can get a good balance of meals in rather than just having what you feel like that evening.

All good points jeff, also best not to go food shipping when you are hungry! else you end up buying rubbish. :)

See the "vegans/vegetarians are farty thing", you will find after a few months of your new diet that your digestive system gets used to the lack of meat and the increase in pulses, and you'll be far less gassy.

che, I had better not get sent to Malawi until this happens.

www.reuters.com/article/201...

I believe someone knowledgable said at some point "Vegetables are what food eats".

You'd do well to remember those sage words, kids.

/glares around at this vegan uprising

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Also : cancer LOVES an acidic invironment.

Read about that here : www.canceractive.com/cancer...

Wow Syl, you sound like me on here about 7 years ago! :D
(although I'm vegetarian not vegan purely for the reason that I live for pizza)

I know :) I also live for pizza. I am on the hunt for vegan cheese. We have a couple of restaurants here that sell vegan pizza.

vegan cheese isn't very nice :(

Aw no! che, you are breaking my heart. Which ones have you tried? I know of Cheezly, Sheese, and No-D

Can't remember what I've tried but the main issue is that they never melt properly if you want to use them in cooking, and also they have a weird after-taste. not quite right.

I've been without cheese now for a month and a half, and the craving is starting to go away. My mind is more focussed on delcious curries and stews made with coconut milk.

enough! you two have driven me to insanity
I agree with Brock

there, are you happy now? this is what your philosophy leads to
agreeing with brock
somewhere some fairies must be weeping

as far as I can tell humands are omnivores and therefore our bodies are in principle suited to deal with meat
and yes, humans have completely messed up their diets so I assume my body can not properly deal with loads of stuff, so what
/miki goes in search of the brilliant "white mice cause cancer" thread from them oldie days
and there are animals and there is meat and one has nothing to do with the other
and no I would not personally be able to kill an animal, but I would also not be able to root around peoples mouthes and fix teeth, but I'm glad somebody does
;-)

Meat rots in your body and makes you sick. We did not evolve eating meat since we did not have the tools to kill animals. (see=apes=evolution?) Maybe we got the odd rabbit and squirrel and bird, but we were mostly herbivores. Sorry, but your information is wrong.

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oh ffs if you can't read my response in the jokey manner it was intended even with the winkey smiley and even after 'knowing' me for years then suit yourself

Jokey? I'm so happy you think that's funny! Enjoy!

you're right, it wasn't all that funny - I will never make it as a standup comedian
plus it was terribly unfair to brock and to che, sorry boys
/puts self in corner

:(

next you'll be telling us we should eat meat because it says so in the Bible, an equally ignorant response.

Next you'll be telling us you can read our minds and tell what we're going to say, then insult us.

i don't believe you were mentioned, dear, but feel free to be insulted anyway, if that's what you enjoy.

The point I failed to make was that your comment had no relevance to what Miki had said.

"enough! you two have driven me to insanity"

Me being one of "you two" ?

If so, then FFS miki, I said absolutely nothing about converting anyone to veganism or vegetarianism in this thread (last time I did that was a good 6 years ago, probably far longer), The only times I mentioned diet in this thread was in a conversation directed at Syl to encourage her in her new venture and to offer her some advice about diet and the misery that comes from vegan cheese.

It's one thing if I had reverted to trying to convert the inconvertible, but really. I was just trying to engage in pleasant conversation with Syl. It's one of the precious few conversations on here these days but nobody made you read it.

Any if you can't stand syl's links and "enthusiastic" debating then please bear with her, it's just the stage that everyone goes through when they find a new cause/interest/hobby.



Not good dude. :(

also syl, warhead has a point, the bible thing was a total non-sequitur (sp?)

"Non sequitur." That was the expression that escaped me. Cheers Che.

like I said I was trying to make a joke, and in that way participate in (like you said) one of the few alive threads on the site
I have no beef with Brock, I have no problem with agreeing with Brock, the whole 'fairies weeping' thing is ludicrous and I trusted Brock would understand this and not be hurt/insulted (and also not to care even if he took it seriously)

I have no problems with you and syl discussing anything, again I trusted that you both would understand this, hopefully laugh, and reply something scathing that you would also not mean. All I was expecting was something like "haha, going vegan/vegeterian is better then agreeing with brock, so join us quickly miki" from you or syl

and just in case my meaning didn't completely come across in the written word I added a winking smiley

now as I added later, it wasn't all that funny, and I shouldnt have included you in the first place but it wasnt meant to be taken so bloody seriously. I dont know how to say it any clearer IT WAS A BAD JOKE about agreeing with brock, actually regardless of the topic of agreement, made in order to promote some silly conversation.

ah I didn't see your explanation, that you added afterwards miki, as I was reading it on my phone and the page stopped after Syl's "Meat rots in your body and makes you sick" post.

ok

I have no issues, Miki. I thought it was funny. I remember when this site used to be more about taking the piss and having fun than evangelising over poorly researched diet choices.

Syl, re: Osteoporosis. Horseshit. Canadian figures - 1 in 8 men, 1 in 4 women over 50 are affected by Osteoporosis. If it was as fundamentally affected by the meat eating as you suggest then it would be a significantly higher number, reflecting more closely the %vegetarian versus omnivorous population.

Re: We're not omnivores. Utter horseshit. Our teeth alone point to evolution to omnivorous diet, as does our digestive system. Yes, perhaps not as much meat as we generally eat now (hunter gathers tend not to have meat with every meal in many cultures/animal species) but we ARE evolved to eat meat. To suggest otherwise is baive to say the least. And flat our wrong.

We did not evolve eating meat since we did not have the tools to kill animals. (see=apes=evolution?)

You know that chimpanzees eat meat, right? You also know that we have been eating meat (and provably so) for thousands of years, possibly tens of thousands at least. Clearly your research needs a whole shit load of work.

"Meat rost in your body"

Only if your digestion system is inadequately matched to the amount of food you eat or the proportions. A balanced diet and proper portions will mean nothing rots in there. It's the fact that people eat too much red meat and too much of it in general that may be the issue. You cannot extrapolate from 'too much' to 'all of it is bad' as it is not sound logic.

I have no problems with people wanting to be vegetarian. I have noticed, however, that meat eaters say "Why on earth do you not eat meat? It's lovely and tasty" yet vegetarians and vegans say "You meat eaters are WRONG to eat meat! Your evolution precludes it! You're EVIL for doing so! EVERYTHING about eating meat is wrong" or similar levels of attack. On behalf of meat eaters, go fuck yourself with your evangelising. Your diet is a choice and no more valid or less valid than mine. The fact that humans are evolved and capable of eating meat is blatantly true, or more than the occasional meat ingestion would be much, much worse for us.

Although the whole "I have no beef with Brock" in the context of this thread was worth the exchange alone... :D

thanks brock, glad I made someone laugh a little
I wouldn't mind having some beef with you, but you are too far away :D

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Anyway, I've said all I am going to say on this matter. I'll leave you with a pic instead.

that's fine syl
I think in the years that i have been on here I have shown that I'm a nice person not some random troll (actually I'm so nice I'm bloody boring)
Iff you are hell bent on taking some jokey remarks as a reason for "losing your respect for me" and "being dissapointed in me" then that is your right.
As your opinion of me doesn't impact my life, I will be fine either way.

As I know che in real life and consider him a friend, I'm glad the misunderstanding between che and me has been cleared up :)

I can also confirm that Emma and I (both veggie) spent a lovely few days with Miki and Steve a while back (a long while back!) and they made sure not to force feed us any meat at any point!

I'm confused. Is Miki after a hot beef injection? EASY NOW.

Woah! Down boy! That's not really worthy of a response. = Oh fuck. I have nothing to refute the destruction of my hyperbolic (hyper-bollocks?) argument...

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Anyway, moving on. I made a hearty vegetable soup yesterday. Six kinds of veggies (onions, cabbage, carrots, beans, peas, corn) with barley (for carbs) and lentils and split peas for protein. AND it's delicious! :D

I was remembering the same thing che :D
like when we had gourmetten and we used the top plate for all the veggies (and fruit) and steve and I cooked some meat seperately in the little pans
And I can fully confirm that neither you nor your lady tried to stop us from eating meat or preaced at us
and lol at force-feeding (doesnt even work with milk and a 10 month old)

so I fully agree with brocks arguments, except not every vegetarian preaching like you describe
and thanks for the offer but injection sounds painful :D

Slithery slithery slithery
at least brock is honest, albeit an asshole
tell me to fuck off!

People that don't eat meat appear to get stroppy easily.

I'm not stroppy I'm downright mad.

and I'm ignoring you instead of rising to your bait
/shrugs

Thanks for filling me in on that.

Fucking hell, this thread :(

Makes me want to eat a sodding great big burger, if anything.

"Why don't you make jokes about Mohammed and the holocaust while you are at it."
"Why don't you make jokes about Mohammed and the holocaust while you are at it."
"Why don't you make jokes about Mohammed and the holocaust while you are at it."
"Why don't you make jokes about Mohammed and the holocaust while you are at it."

Oy vey.

all we're missing now is Gary

MARIAH CAREY IS SHIT
*sits back and waits*

FORK IN FRIKKIN EYE!!111

"moral vegetarians are hypocritical as dairy farming is a cruel practice (i mean technically, people who drink milk are responsible for veal, right?)"
Discuss…
(and to think I didn't post that earlier for fear it would be inflammatory)

Oh my God. There's a naked man running around in his apartment alongside my office. *gets binoculars*

ne doesn't make tactless jokes about things that people feel strongly about. If you think that makes you a nice person, cool bananas. Why don't you make jokes about Mohammed and the holocaust while you are at it.

I am not a "nice" person. I am an honest person

No, you're a crass, ignorant and self-centred cow. That's astonishing. Veganism is a fucking diet choice, dear. It's not in the slightest bit comparable to a religion or fucking genocide.


This is precisely my point about how a lot of vegetarians (it seems a majority, although that may be due to the vehemence of their preaching) lose all credibility and actually damage their cause as they're so vile in how they attack other people in their own dietary choices. You are utterly without perspective, and miki made a joke (a perfectly innocent and mildly amusing joke - clearly labeled to anyone with mental acuity) yet you are now attacking how she raises her children?

What, as they say, the fuck.

"moral vegetarians are hypocritical as dairy farming is a cruel practice (i mean technically, people who drink milk are responsible for veal, right?)"

I'd start the discussion by saying "Utter bollocks", I think. It's like saying wool production is responsible for making people eat lamb.

Blah blah blah blah blah blah

ah but you don't have to get a sheep pregnant to produce wool…

I lack the knowledge to enter into a coherent debate on this, but I thought it might start another fight :)

ah but you don't have to get a sheep pregnant to produce wool…

Er, you do if you want to keep producing wool for more than a couple of years.

**too much information alert**
as a woman who has expressed milk, I do think dairy farming can not be the nicest thing for a cow

btw, brick, yes i do consider it genocide. I do not make any distinction between living beings. a cat is the same as a dog is the same as a cow is the same as a human. We all feel pain and none of us deserves to be tortured or killed.

Thanks for the compliment, I like cows. :)

crass? "go fuck yourself" isn't crass? My my.

And if I am so self-centred and ignorant, why are you getting into such a frothy over my opinions?

Go have a steak smothered in cheese, you'll feel much better. There's a dear.

Actually, environmentally the best approach is to suggest that people cut down their meat a little (by pointing out the cost savings, possible health benefits and the fact that not all veggie food is shit).

That's why a lot of campaigns now focus on things such as "meat free monday", suggesting that once a week people have a meat free meal. The idea being that if you get a lot of people to cut down their meat by a bit, that works out better for the environment/public health than getting a few people to cut meat out completely. (most of the people who would give up meat completely have already done so, and to try to get other people to do so would be like smashing your head against a wall, people will do what they like, not what you insist that they do).

The best way to do this:
invite friends for a home cooked veggie meal, open a bottle of red and suggest some nice recipes.

The worst way to do this:
invite friends for a meal, open a scrapbook filled with images from slaughterhouses, and suggest they go fuck themselves.

It's a matter of approach. If you choose the former, you might get a few meat free meals into the world, which if that is your bag, then good for you. If you choose the second route you will quickly find yourself dining alone...

I'm just waiting for the Godwin's law moment.

eatmypiano: syl mentioned the holocaust so I think that probably counts.

Anyway, I've said all I am going to say on this matter. I'll leave you with a pic instead.

You fibbed.

But what I really think is that you were feeling jealous and left out of the conversation, (and maybe a little guilty about eating meat)so you decided to have a little tantrum, provoke me, and then pass it off as a joke.

I was right ... you think you ARE a mind reader.

I do not make any distinction between living beings.

Then don't eat vegetables. Have you never heard the grass scream as the mower cuts it down?

I wonder what Hitler would have said about Godwin's Law?

Mohammed And The Holocaust was a great band. I wonder whatever happened to them.

I do not make any distinction between living beings.

Then don't eat vegetables.

Good point, Wh. If you maintain there is no difference between cat/dog/cow/human then it is hypocritical to then see no difference from there to anything else that is alive.

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I love these two men more than air.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter...

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Steve...

I was so horrified and angry at the things that I saw in those videos, that I thought I ought to do something about it.

I agree that animals should be treated humanely, but I see that as a somewhat separate issue. The slaughter industry needs to clean up its act.

Actually, environmentally the best approach is to suggest that people cut down their meat a little (by pointing out the cost savings, possible health benefits and the fact that not all veggie food is shit).

I said almost exactly that on another forum the other day.
I added "Don't have kids."

Too late :P

Don't have a pet either, as a dog uses more carbon than a 4x4

I'm pretty sure that one was "not entirely accurate" (or, rather, "accurate for very specific values of dog and 4x4") - a bit like the Humvee vs Prius stuff.

Yeah I'm sure it was a generalization. I mean some dogs eat a lot more than others, some 4x4s use more resources in manufacture and use than others, but I guess that regardless of degrees of accuracy it does point out to people that the "easy targets" in environmentalism (cars, coal, plastic etc) are not the only issues. Many people fail to think about the less obvious ones (food production, animals, babies etc).

/strokes Range Rover

/glares at son

/strokes grand daughter
/glares at Range Rover

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Why did that one lady have to have eight kids? And she had six to start with. Now she has 14 children and then she applies for welfare to help raise them! So we all get to foot the bill because of her stupidity.

Oh, you pay US taxes, Syl?

/hides the crazy woman from social worker wife

Social worker wife? Oh, that explains a lot. So you're a work at home project then, Grim?

Grim....your wife is a social worker? Do they work for the goverment?

Brock: Yeah, the AWESOME project. Syl: Yes, in the same way that nurses do. Warhead: Happy Birthday.

Oh ok. We have public nurses/social workers and private ones. The private ones charge medical insurance rates.
Does your wife enjoy her job? I should have done that, or be a vet or something.

Happy Birthday Warhead!

Something funny just happened here. There's this skinny weedy guy who works here. I said "Frankie, every time I see you, you are thinner!" so he says "Every time I see you, you are fatter!" Then someone else pipes up "Ask her out, Jack Sprat!" I thought I would die laughing!

I'm guessing that he didn't ask you out.

We have a good relationship, and can tease each other. No he did not ask me out. :) I am taken.

Che, you are not a fibber, the farts have gone!

christ. for once in my life, i find myself agreeing with brock.
humans are not built for living on vegetables alone. our digestive system is all wrong for starters (the teeth are 99.99% a giveaway, but an amusing-in-context exception is the firefox (if anyone's interested, i can recount the London Zoo story of how they accidentally discovered this via a zookeeper's compassion to the dying animal) ).

but something interesting that the british people here should think about: there's not a lot of difference b/w a vegetarian diet and eating british beef. it tastes grey. it's not filling. it's just protein. it's lacking all the key micro-nutrients. because the animals don't RUN, they don't LIVE. i can eat 2 big british steaks and be full but still hungry. whereas i can eat a thin venison steak or half a kangaroo steak and be utterly uninterested in further eating. if i'm not exercising, half a roo steak means i literally won't want to eat the next day. at all. just not interested.
because they're wild. they've lived active lives. even aussie BEEF has to live an active life, because our water-hence-grassdensity is so poor they have to keep moving. that's why it tastes so much nicer.
because our tongues are evolved to detect nutrition.


i would vastly prefer to be vegetarian. i hate the idea of killing animals to survive. (but then, i'm killing vegetables to survive if i don't :)
but my ability to function at the top of my game goes to pieces if i go vegetarian.


sugar, on the other hand, is like cocaine for the tongue. it tricks us into thinking things are more nutritious than they are.

we are fully evolved to handle fat. if you eat too much fat, your digestive system blows it out your arse.
sugar, though, doesn't exist really in nature. our bodies use it as a high-density mechanism for post-digestion liver energy-transfer to the cells. insulin is triggered (normally) at that point in a blind-feedback mechanism to signal the cells to take up not just the energy but the other key nutrients.
if there's a FLOOD of sugar, relatively, it indicates evolutionarily that you've gone from starvation to brief opportunity, and there's a flood of insulin which triggers the body laying up every bit of sugar as fat.

it's only the modern diet ("corn syrup"...) which has introduced sugar to our mouths.

if you want to lose weight, lose the sugar.

be aware that a lot of now-common foods actually have a huge-sugar impact on the body. potato, eg, is almost weight-for-weight equivalent to sugar. pasta almost as bad (although, oddly, not spaghetti), likewise bread.
the popularity of bacon makes sudden sense in this context, since pork is 30% sugar, plus drenched in salt, which opens the pores of the tastebuds so they feel it more.

if you want to lose weight, lose the sugar.

"sweet as a nut"

there's buggerall sugar in nuts

but they ARE bloody nutritious

toc toc

Ooops, how rude of me for not thanking folks for the birthday wishes.

Ta.