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My and Jen's running commentry of the days events:


Session Start (ICQ - 43903925:Jen): Tue Sep 11 14:49:39 2001
[14:49] Jen: did you see the enws
[14:49] cal: yup. two planes into the WTC and one into the pentagon
[14:50] cal: www.iamcal.com
[14:54] cal: fuck me - 7 hijacked
[14:54] Jen: really
?

[14:56] cal: through reuters
[14:57] Jen: Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine (DFLP)`

[14:57] cal: Rumours now
of a 3rd on it's way to the trade center
[15:00] cal: WTC is collapsing
[15:02] Jen: friend in Alabama said second tower collapsed
[15:03] cal: 3rd plane hit NYC?
[15:03] Jen: apparen tly
[15:04] Jen: Matt: (3:02 PM) Apparently US intelligence was getting reports that something was going to happen, but they didn't know what.

[15:04] cal: this is BIG
[15:06] cal: reuter rumor: 11 planes have gone missing
[15:07] Jen: Nightmare. shit i have to go on another puer.
[15:07] cal: oki
[15:07] Jen: will leave my mssg window open
[15:07] Jen: let me know
[15:07] cal: ok
[15:12] cal: 5 planes so far (3 into wtc, 2 into pentagon)
[15:17] cal: fuck. explosion on capitoll hill
[15:17] cal: bomb?
[15:27] cal: car bomb at capitol hill
[15:27] cal: second tower goes down via a bomb
[15:30] Jen: another plane on the way to Washinton
[15:31] cal: yup
[15:32] cal: they are going to shoot it down...
[15:37] cal: warning from osma bin laden last friday
[15:39] cal: another planes crashed into pittsburgh
[15:40] cal: Reports that part of the Pentagon has collapsed.

[15:40] cal: Confirmed
Plane crash 80 miles SE of Pittsburgh

[15:40] Jen: was that hte one they shot down ?
[15:40] cal: not sure.
[15:43] cal: all news sites still down
[15:43] cal: Plane crash in Pennsylvania
[15:44] cal: London Stock Exchange evacuated ... All London flights cancelled
[15:44] cal: Pentagon on fire after third attack

[16:18] cal: plane shot down en route to europe
[16:18] Jen: really
[16:19] cal: via AP i think
[16:19] Jen: AP ?
[16:20] cal: associated press
[16:20] Jen: cant get any sites
[16:20] cal: The Foreign Office issued an emergency number - 020 7008 0000 - for anyone worried about relatives in America.
[16:20] Jen: damn
[16:21] cal: www.guardian.co.uk
[16:21] Jen: my boss's 3 cousins work in the WTC :(
[16:21] Jen: just gave them the number thanks
[16:22] cal: the whole thing has collapsed
[16:23] cal: burning people jumping from the building (msnbc/5news)
[16:23] cal: Bomb in school (NBC rumor)
[16:25] Jen: where
[16:25] cal: no news yet...
[16:25] cal: US
[16:30] cal: pittsburgh crash confirmed. 80 miles out of DC
[16:30] Jen: saw that
[16:30] cal: American Airlines confim they lost two fully laden planes
[16:30] Jen: www.superhyperdemonchild.com/
[16:31] cal: at least one was a 767 - other was a jumbo?
[16:31] Jen: 737
[16:31] Jen: Heathrow being evac.
[16:32] cal: loads of places evac'd
[16:32] Jen: meant to go to teh theater today haha

[16:33] Jen: SHIT SHIT SHIT
[16:33] Jen: My friend David is in the Air Force, has been called up.
[16:33] cal: oh
[16:33] Jen: In the UK
[16:34] cal: oh wow
[16:34] Jen: My sis just called, i s watching CNN, apparently Bush can now declare war
[16:35] cal: against who though?
[16:35] Jen: Well quite
[16:35] Jen: Would only take a Cessna and a bundle of Semtex to blow up Palestine
[16:36] Jen: "Several aircraft are still unaccounted for"
[16:36] cal: if it's the afgenistans, where do russia sit on the issue?
[16:36] Jen: It is the Palestinians
[16:36] Jen: Democratic (!!) something of Palestine
[16:37] cal: ITV News report Taleban about to hold Press Conference
...suggestion is that perhaps Taliban are going to give up Bin Laden to prevent a US attack on Afganistan.

[16:37] Jen: GOod.
[16:38] Jen: Freind Will is called up too (Army)


[16:42] cal: WORLD TRADE CENTRE CASUALTIES IN THOUSANDS - CNBC
[16:43] cal: USA at Threatcon Delta
[16:45] cal: World Trade Centers collapse after planes hit, 10,000 emergency workers head to scene
[16:45] Jen: Jesus
[16:46] Jen: Its liek a bad movie
[16:46] cal: The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention in Atlanta was evacuated. CDC was preparing bioterrorism teams in case they become necessary.
[17:01] Jen: thank god, my boss's cousins are ok - all were off sick or late!
[17:01] cal: thank god!
[17:03] cal: 2 planes have hit the pentagon (+ a car bomb)
[17:04] Jen: Am looking for Chicago news,
[17:04] cal: ok
[17:04] cal: American, United both confirm losing two planes each
[17:07] Jen: what was the Foreign Office n
[17:08] Jen: what was the Foreign Office n
[17:08] cal: 020 7008 0000
[17:08] cal: that one?
[17:08] cal: US Navy subs and SAC at DefCon2
[17:09] Jen: And the UK Air Force and Army on full alert.
[17:09] cal: amber alert (one down from red)
[17:09] Jen: Friends in the Army
[17:14] cal: summary just in: bothe WTC towers are gone, according to news reports lower manhattan
looks like a bomb site (think Dresden in WW2)
a third plane plowed into the pentagon
a fourth plane crashed into or near (not clear yet) camp David
a fifth plane that was hijacked from newark crashed in pittsburgh, no
other news yet
all air trafiic here and now in Canada completely shut down
all lower manhattan, women and children first, is being evacuated
all bridges tunnels and roads into and out of NYC are completely shut
down (please keep me posted on sue and matthew!!!)
we have heard nothing here about london, please keep me posted
we've just heard that 8 planes in all have been hijacked four are still
unaccounted for and the president has ordered the air force out on
battle alert. they're going to search out any planes still in flight
and shoot them down on sight--no questions asked.
[17:14] cal: Shanksville, Somerset County
4th Plane Crash. source: BBC
[17:15] Jen: jeesz
[17:17] cal: Market report
FTSE down to 4746.which is lowest for three years.
All except BP, Shell and BAE down. BA down by 21% Hotels down by c. 20%. Insurers down over 10%
Oil prices and dollar up sharply.
Buy Oil co's if you have the nerve.

[17:17] cal: pentagon hit
was by a small commuter plane,according to eye witness
[17:17] cal: 737 at 69 tons with fuel at 500 mph into a building
small plane but...

[17:18] Jen: Shit I wish i was working on this puter
[17:18] Jen: have to go work on another
[17:18] Jen: boss getting antsy

[17:18] cal: ok
[17:18] Jen: keep it coming
[17:18] Jen: will be coming back

[17:18] cal: will do
[17:18] cal: Afghanistan deny Bin Laden role- BBC
[17:18] Jen: esp if you hear anything about Chicago

[17:19] cal: ok
[17:19] Jen: ta
[17:19] cal: AP- 1 side of Pentagon collapsed

[17:24] cal: Israel evacuates embassies
Non-essential NATO employees asked to leave Brussels HQ
Taliban issues statement to tell U.S. 'Afghanistan feels your pain'

[17:26] Jen: Fucking Taliban
[17:26] Jen: Fucking Taliban
[17:26] cal: !
[17:27] Jen: Lock up their women and send planes into building.
[17:27] cal: exactly
[17:28] Jen: They should be tied tot eh runway and aimed at by a plane
[17:28] cal: sounds good
[17:29] cal: BBC has reported again
that Boston to LA flight is still missing, and have no idea where it is

[17:30] cal: NYC centre
for co-ordinating disaster/terrorist attack response etc was located in...WTC
[17:45] cal: from an eyewitness: unbelievable. i saw it 2 minutes after the first plane hit, walking to
school to teach a class. i'm right in the neighbourhood. the streets are
full of people, some of them covered with dust from being downtown. cell
phones are out. classes are cancelled. it's surreal. the sky line has
changed. the towers are just gone. i don't know what the loss of life is
yet. people are crying in the street.


[17:45] Jen: Australia has closed all airports
[17:45] cal: as has canada
[17:45] cal: mexico closed it's borders
[17:46] Jen: www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/mmedia/web...
[17:46] cal: ta
[17:49] cal: Lots of cops
Pulling up outside NY Times office, Paris now.
[17:50] cal: Australian PM
John Howard is staying the US, he is being moved from his hotel nr the white house
[17:50] Jen: All the theatres in London are closed
[17:50] cal: :(
Session Close (Jen): Tue Sep 11 17:54:27 2001

The entire country here is going crazy.. Every major tall building, every major company in america has evacuated.. I live near detroit, ie the home of the big three motor companies, who all issued mandatory evacuations by noon our time today.. There are people on tv talking war, some serious shit going on..

A few have said this is "worse than pearl harbor"...

Currently there are just 4 planes that have crashed, 2 into the WTC, one into the pentagon, and one in pittsburgh near some military bases (although it missed)..

Estimates are around 10000 dead in NY.. the entirity of south manhattan is being evacuated to allow emergency services to get in, and all the hospitals are literally begging for blood donations..

wow. what can i say.

One word comes to mind: \"Fuck\".

Have been watching CNN for the last six hours. It's hard to believe that we live in a world were shit like this is still a reality.

It is all unfortunately so very real...

If there was war, it'd be shortlived - the people invloved are compared to the free world too small a minority.

War sucks... too many innocent people dead already

Well bush said (I'm paraphrasing) "We will make no distinction between the people that committed these acts, and the people that harbor them"..

Which suggests that any country found to be harboring the terrorists will shortly find themselves at war with the US.. Scary huh?

It's all too terrible for words. I'm still stunned.

and a third tower collapses - though hopefully fully evacuated, think of all the emergency services on the ground (around 400 were killed when tower 1 collapsed).

Its just crazy, I was watchin ITV live (was hoping to catch some kids TV actually) and saw the second towers going down. In the papers this morning they had pictures of the people jumping from the EIGHTIETH floor, I mean you have to be desperate to do that! Its like something out of a film, just so sureal.

i saw the video yesterday of people jumping, burning, from the top floors. it's a disaster on a previsouly unimaginable scale.

I have received the most awful email from CoffeeCup software (who make CoffeeCup HTML Editor). I can't believe the CEO said this:

Hello everyone,

This is Nicholas Longo, the CEO of CoffeeCup Software.
As you may have heard the World Trade Center and Pentagon
were attacked about 45 minutes ago.

The Team at CoffeeCup would like to send our heart felt
sorrow to those that perished in these attacks.

We would like to also say on record that if any country
is found responsible for these attacks, we call for that
country's complete destruction and annihilation.

Do not let terrorism which is designed to create fear
and stop production, halt your life or work.

Stay focused and do not stop what you are doing.


-May God bless us all and the decisions we must make.


Nick-

Is he sure he wants to be saying that, I think opinions that strong maybe shouldve have been kept to the pub not you company mailing list! If this is the general feeling across America then God only knows whats going come as the aftermath of this.

Saying that, did everyone see the celebrating in Isreal, that kind of behaviour is disgusting, and these people are supposed to be religious!

Yeah, that's the kind of thing that I'm hearing all across america.. Senators, other government officials on TV this morning (it's 8am here, same time zone as NYC for those who don't know), they're all saying that they are not choosing military options right now, but they are also not ruling any of the options "at the president's command" out..

The former director of the CIA was on tv a while ago, saying that the sophistication of the operation could hint that there was an intelligence service of a country behind it, he mentioned Iraq..

So yep, that is the general feeling across america..

"these people are supposed to be religious" = the source of the problem.

I keep watching the news, expecting a bulletin reporting that the SAS have just returned, after infiltrating Afghan, and kidnapping Bin Laden... They'll almost certainly try a covert op before they go to force.

umm, the SAS are british ell. I think you mean the seals or the marines.

Delta Force even.

I think I heard somewhere that the Afghanistan government are happy to hand over Bin Laden to save the country (ecstraditing is it, I dont know how you spell it). That might be the best thing to do... but thats if it was him.

Re: "Saying that, did everyone see the celebrating in Isreal, that kind of behaviour is disgusting, and these people are supposed to be religious!"

What about the time that Clinton ordered the bombing of terrorists last time. He blew up a MOSQUE full of religious women and children, also America treat these countries like shit. So although I don't think that they should be celebrating, I can also see things from their point of view.

Of course everyone forgot that those American Missiles killed all those civilians but then hey "they're only arabs, not americans so who cares" hmmm.

RE: "[17:27] Jen: Lock up their women and send planes into building.
[17:27] cal: exactly
[17:28] Jen: They should be tied tot eh runway and aimed at by a plane
[17:28] cal: sounds good"

Oh yeah, what a great idea, cos that sort of attitude is exactly what the situation needs. You can imagine the same sort of conversation happening in the Middle East:

[17:27] A: Bloody Americans, bombing innocent women and children in our country

[17:28] B: Yeah, forcing everyone to hanker after money and wealth rather than helping one another.

[17:29] A: Lets hijack planes and kill them, cos they are all the same

Now, sorry guys if that was a bit harsh but I cant find the right words to describe how abhorent the idea of "they hurt us so lets kill them" is. Cos how does killing them make anything better? does it bring anyone back? Nope, sorry, it just reduces us to their level.

Perhaps mine and jens converstation is taken out of context here. We were talking about the people directly responsible so this atrosity, not the innocent people who happen to live in the same country. I utterly do not agree with bombing afganistan, but i would like to see those responsible punished to the full extent of the law. Unfortunately, it is almost certain that innocent people will die as a consequence.

Chandler, easy there son! I dont agree to anyone bombing anyone, I was disgusted by how anyone can celebrate the death of innocent people, I certainly cant see how these people, although they may feel opressed, can stand there and give praise to the lord for the killing of so many innocent people. Clinton bombed a mosque so its ok for them to do this? what fucking century do you live in? an eye for an eye doesnt work mate, and never will.

I'll get back in my pram now.

something else i just noticed: jen was abhoring the fact that certain religons "lock up their women". would it be unthinkably racist of me to think this is wrong, simply because it's part of their culture? if it was part of my culture to eat people, would it be wrong?

What a great catch-22 you just spotted Cal. Your damned if you do, your damned if you dont I'm afraid mate. Your best bet is to keep shtum about the subject around feminists and Arabs.

"was abhoring the fact that certain religons "lock up their women". "

Shouldn't that read 'some CULTURES lock up their women'? Islam certainly doesn't and if you choose to label a whole religion because of what those so-called Muslims the Taliban practice there's something seriously wrong.

i see terminology problems here. surely a subset of a religion is called a religion. i didn't say at any point that a general religion (eg Islam) was wrong. The text quoted from me an Jen:

"Jen: Lock up their women and send planes into building.
[17:27] cal: exactly
[17:28] Jen: They should be tied tot eh runway and aimed at by a plane
[17:28] cal: sounds good"

we didn't say "Islam lock up their women", nor "Arabs lock up their women". it's impossible to deplore anyone these days without facing the wrath of over zealous political correctness. everyone should be treated as equals, but that doesn't make everyone the same, and doesn't mean that i have to condone everyone's cultural choices.

The whole sub set of religion terminology thing could have us debating forever. I guess the experiences I've had over the last week have me paranoid and if u like 'over zealous'. You certainly don't have to condone everyone's cultural choice. I just hope that amidst this tragedy we learn at least one thing. Don't judge a person by their religion.

Peace and love.

indeed. that's something we should always realise :)